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And at what point do we...attack a soveriegn country that hasn't attacked us? We "preceive" a threat defined by OUR traditons and beliefs.... Does that not make "us" the aggressor? Is that not imposing our beliefs on another society? We are Americans, OUR way is the ONLY way and the world...

If I could persuade the wife to get her cdl B that could swing the pendulum...but I'll not do CDL B trucking as a single....as they say..."show me the money" I am just that darn good at vanning!!!*L* And the loses...you can that straight to the taxman....:p

Tossing Cheri an EO cheerleaders suit with pompoms....*LOL*

chefdennis said.."For me, while my way temperment and demeanor doesn't let me work well for someone, I always know where and when to treat those around me the best i can to achieve the best end result for all involved. Thats just good business. When you do that, its funny how most businesses...

Boy Greg...your posts have really seemed to swing more radical lately.....is that the election fever?????

We budget over a quarter...have a target where we need to be....it's just to swingy to do any less.... HEY....pal :).....I have the BIG ticket CDL B...but chose not to drive big ones....don't wanna log, don't wanna deal with DOT...besides all things considered I make as much or more...that is...

I sometimes I think when reading you guys thoughts and reading the news, just how inconsequential we as a species really are..when mother nature waves her arm and tosses us a Katrina, A 7.9 earthquake. An F5 tornado...all we can do is watch death and destruction, our bombs and guns are of no...

I am down as well....July is usually hit and miss....more misses then hits....but fuels dropping along with the FSC ,that might encourage more shippers to use us again...who knows...just do the best ya can at least you can say you gave it your best shot!

If you figure the success rate in the van market is only 10% then yes.....9 out of 10 vanners you speak to aren't making it... Besides Charles theres turtle/p2 and Rlent/ Bolt are also making the grade....so is it the carrier or the personality....as you may have read here and it plays like a...

Aristotle and Turtle are 2 great examples of patience and courage in the van sector..they have endured with Panther and are successful with them...Most of us vanners seem to be always swimming against the current...no matter what carrier..:D

Beemer neither Charles or I am trying to be a smarta$$...we have no reason to lie..it would serve you or I no good...We are telling you straight up...we aren't going to get rich as Charles said but we are making it...I would suggest as Charles did, ask around some more....look for those who sit...

So beemer your gettin out...can't make it eh? First thing going against you...cargo van.....second thing Panther.... I'd like to ask you a couple questions... When you go into a shipper are you pleasant? Do you ask questions? Like gee my first time here...DO you ship many expedite loads? or...

Well DOH!!! you asked why one would vote democrat i gave you one example....increased medical coverage..medicare

So Turtle says council is useless or powerless maybe so but it's all you have..... So whats the next move? Going to just sit and watch ...be a spectator? Or play the same game and get YOUR 1st out??

Ok got me on the for sale sign thingee... BUT the council is there to represent the drivers and bring forth problem areas and be like an advisor role....somethin like that... If the council put Panther to the test to see just how much pull the council has...Management might take a more serious...

I think the council should be convened immediately and an emergency meeting with company reps. called to discuss this issue. If both sides are serious this is not that difficult of an issue to settle.

shoulda got the guy in Medina to put the test results in writing...take note Panther fans....a learning curve here...and this issue can go toward any carrier..

I've always said to you guys...Panther is owned by an "Investment" group not a true transportation company...all they know is dollars and cents. And when the $$$ go away so will they, putting up the For Sale Sign....They are doing thier J.O.B. making money for the company...they couldn't care...

Greg said "so we have the socialists and Marxist now being patriots and using the redefined word to make things alright in the eyes of the world." Patriot is an American exclusive? Americans may use it a lot but come on now.....lets not start claiming exclusives on common words.....

some owners I talk to want more healthcare coverage...thats why i mentioned it....