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  1. Turtle

    The way it SHOULD be.

    Has anyone ever filed a restraining order against the government because the government won't leave them alone and get out of their lives? Interesting.
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    computer probs

    It may be router related and might effect some users, but not all, depending on which route things take between EO and a given computer. I can see an intermittent problem with a Telia hop, comes and goes. rackspace-106764-ash-bb1.c.telia.net [213.248.88.118) But it looks like there's a hiccup...
  3. Turtle

    Obama Snubs Nation's Heros

    "I did realize that - the only ball I'm talking about is the Salute to Heroes Ball that until this year, has been attended by every newly inaugurated president since its inception." Unless it was part of a theme for an Official Ball, like the Commander in Chief Ball, then no president has ever...
  4. Turtle

    Report: Ex-Gitmo detainee joins al-Qaida in Yemen

    When it's over and done with, I'd love to read your recap of the Super Bowl.
  5. Turtle

    Obama Snubs Nation's Heros

    Pilgrim: When you quoted me where I said, "..as well as the fact that the president 4 years ago didn't go to it, either," and then proceeded to tell me that Bush, did in fact attend the American Legion Salute to Heroes Ball 4 years ago, you failed to realize that my quote was in a direct...
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    Obama Snubs Nation's Heros

    Sorry, my bad. That was a typo on my part. It should have been addressed towards Pilgrim in that paragraph, but I guess I still had you on my mind. I'm not lying and making things up or accusing anyone of something they didn't do. I simply made a mental slip-up akin to my Muslim faith. I've...
  7. Turtle

    Obama Snubs Nation's Heros

    Well, if I consider the source too carefully, I run the risk of letting it become personal, and any sort of civil discussion would get flushed. You have to keep it to the topic at hand, and not introduce too many extraneous things from outside this thread that only cloud the issues at hand...
  8. Turtle

    when white will embrace what is right

    Yeah, it's a rather broad statement, but it's broadly true. Kids today, despite the rappers and others trying their best to divide, really haven't experienced it, so they don't care. Racism is still here, and it always will be. As long as people are different, and they can see that, it'll be...
  9. Turtle

    Obama Snubs Nation's Heros

    I'm not playing semantics and you know it. The facts as above are exactly as I stated them, as well as the fact that the president 4 years ago didn't go to it, either. The whole thing beginning with TSO's original post was a fake. He made it up, and he got caught doing it. You think someone...
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    Obama Snubs Nation's Heros

    Well, I never said there was no Red White and Blue Hero's Ball Sponsored by the American Legion. It's a true statement, but I never said it. I said there was no Salute to Heroes Ball sponsored by the American Legion, and there wasn't. And the Red White and Blue Ball didn't just have a...
  11. Turtle

    Obama Snubs Nation's Heros

    Actually, no, you're wrong again. Irresponsible Equally irresponsible
  12. Turtle

    Obama Snubs Nation's Heros

    He didn't go because there was no American Legion sponsored Salute to Heroes Ball to go to. There were lots of other events that didn't happen that he didn't go to, too. Even if it's a lie? You are crushing all of my perceptions of what it means to be a hero. I and the American people look to...
  13. Turtle

    Limits on Idling Diesels by Iowa

    If you buy into the notion of human-induced climate change, then ya gotta buy into the rest of it.
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    Obama Snubs Nation's Heros

    Well Chef, you're gonna really get a sadistic joyride out of this. :D "Yes he did go to the Commanders Ball, this was the Ball Honoring Medal of Honor Recipients, one the President Bush found his way to, both times, in 2005 making it his 1st stop." Obama didn't go to the Salute to Heroes Ball...
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    Did You Vote?

    Henderson Country went for Obama, as did seven other counties. Ever seen this? It's pretty interesting. You can click on a state, and then see how individual counties voted. You can also see how the counties and districts voted in the other races, like the House, Senate, Governor (if your...
  16. Turtle

    The way it SHOULD be.

    Sounds good, and it's temping to write that it's always been that way and it probably always will be, but that would be disingenuous on my part. I would argue that recent politicians like Obama, Clinton, Reagan, all used political lessons from the past for their benefit. And that the quiet...
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    Obama Snubs Nation's Heros

    That article is a stellar example of really bad journalism. The very first line is a misrepresentation of the truth, and it goes downhill fast with the "reporter's" agenda in tow. The "Cleveland Dealer" isn't even a new organization, it's a Blog. A Bloooooggggg. Fact is, Obama wasn't even...
  18. Turtle

    The way it SHOULD be.

    Well, OVM gets it. To be not-so subtly insulted in that I don't respect my elders or that I don't think there is value in the life lessons that can be learned from others is a little over the top and, I think, quite uncalled for in a new thread. You're taking something from one thread and moving...
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    when white will embrace what is right

    Well, if you sayso. But the Gimme, Gimme, Gimme crowd and your view of them doesn't explain away why you highlighted the line you did, why that line bothered you enough to set it apart. That's your old fart thinking. :D BTW, I'm in my 50's, too. Just at really low number in the 50's. And I was...
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