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Scott, Thanks for weighing in - a great post - it comports with my understanding and I certainly don't find anything to disagree with in what you wrote. I have no disagreement with this - and it's certainly not anything that I'm advocating. Absolutely true - as it should be. However...

I glad you clarified that - because it certainly appeared from many of your comments that you did. Well, I have a slightly different take on it - understanding the theory of something (which is something one gets from studying books, etc.) is generally useless - unless one has at least some...

Yup I do - in fact, I even know how to spell it correctly: egg-sucking cur dog. Would you like for me to define it ? You must then live on a farm, or otherwise have an overabundance of eggs, and not mind mixed-breed pooches or the incessant growling ...... So what's your point ? I really...

Couple of points: Your premise seems to be that the only ones that could or should have oversight over intel agencies, are the intelligence agencies themselves (since only they would have the "requisite experience" - and everyone else would merely be a "Monday morning quarterbacks") The phrase...

Yeah, well ..... it weren't me that was quoting lame drivel from some stale box office attraction ..... And worse still by far, is the delusion of some that the actions this country takes (both rightly and wrongly) have no consequences - simply because such people are incapable of discerning...

Yup - and the Dulles brothers were both fantastically corrupt and were, in fact, criminals. Therefore the attitude is, in a large measure, criminal - being above the law. John Foster Dulles connections to Hitler and the Nazi regime are well documented (through the law firm of Sullivan &...

Layout - you and I are absolutely on the same page on this one. Dunno about Obama, or Clinton really, but I from what I understand from recent reading, there was a fairly significant "purge" under Bush - as a consequence of intelligence officers standing up against the manipulation of intel to...

You're kidding right ? Look at what you said immediately above jamin's comment: "And in some cases..........death" Well, assuming that you served honorably (and I have no reason to assume otherwise), thank you for your service.

Precisely - which is why I had a real hard time understanding why someone (two individuals - yourself and another) would glibly quote from some piece of fiction, in reply to me. It wasn't me that was singin' that tune (although I am perfectly capable of explaining what the story was about) - on...

Oh Layout, I do indeed understand it :D I'm perfectly willing to hold civilian authority, in the political realm, at least as culpable (if not more so) than anyone in a uniform.

Nicholson played Jessup: Jessep: "You want answers?" Kaffee: "I want the truth!" Jessep: "You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg?" ..... from A Few Good Men, written by...

Happy to post it, but of course, all credit is due Mr. Webster. ;)

No kidding: "...There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our overthrow. ... Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence. I fear that they...

Well Layout, I forgot that you were part of the audience (and thereby assumed that most folks reading here would "get it"), consequently I failed to draw quite as complete a picture as appears to be required - allow me to do so now: "that has been popularly-elected in a relatively fair and...

Heheheh ... you hit the nail on the head - and not just only with respect to studying that one chapter of history, but all of history in general. Add to that, that our leaders are predisposed to largely see the world only from our perspective ..... and it's a deadly combination. I know that...

Both ? :rolleyes:

I was OOS but they called with a load last night - it was too large - which was just fine with me. Sitting at home until Monday, enjoying the rare alcoholic refreshment. May everyone have a Happy, Safe, and Prosperous New Year !

Dunno, can't say really .. however I can tell ya this: Every week (that I worked) for the last two+ years like clock-work, always on time, and except for two minor insignificant matters (amounting to less than $60 total, one corrected, and one pending), and always correct to the penny (with no...

No, but kudos to you for posting it. :D While initially the proposal seems to be for a foreign scenario, one doesn't have to get too far into it (page xvii of the Executive Summary), before that facade falls apart: "Of the options considered, this research indicates that the U.S. Marshals...

You bet we could - abso-freakin'-lutely. But it ain't the first time.