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Now there is a good question? How do you run something and not know what it pays? I quess at the end of the run you tell them you aren't sure what you are going to charge? Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator

We give our trucks to a new team clean and ready to go. If it was returned and dirty, we send it to a third party and whatever they charge to clean it, is what I would charge the driver if it is dirty. A third party takes the misery and personal issues out of the whole situation. We have been...

If you read through the forums I think you will find both good and bad on both sides of the isle. The owner has a lot more exposure because they are carrying the investment. Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator

Any credit from fuel purchases is on the Panther statements. This includes rebates and the like. We pay the driver the week that they show. It would be foolish for the owner to hold this money unless they are paying the fuel. Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator

As a former automotive salesperson, it still amazes me how easy it is to push a consumer's hot buttons and watch them purchase a vehicle that they really do not need, nor can they afford. Even when it came to compact cars, we would have folks dropping off their keys, and initiating a voluntary...

Very true. I thought about that as well. A Turtle top on a standard runs about 3500.....right? Not sure. That would put that variance at $15,500 Still buys a lot of fuel. Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator

That was kinda what I was thinking as I read some of these posts, and trying to follow the logic behind the purchase. I try to follow the pennies, and I am struggling on this one. Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator

After reading all this I have to wonder on the return of investment. Almost like the dry van verses the reefer debate. We have no vans, so I am assuming one figures with the additional fuel economy and maybe a change at a better load, you come out ahead, even at a much higher truck purchase...

Sounds like Fish has it right to me. Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator

I still like the Aerocell concept, but more for a large sleeper rather than increased freight capacity. Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator

You are correct that van drivers have become their own worst enemy. Shippers now have the expectation of getting a large van and paying rates from the late eighties. One thing for sure, it will be a tough thing to undo. Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator

Somehow I think it will turn into a Micheal Moore plot and everyone will blame Bush. Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator

Nice post. It is refreshing to hear something positive with regards to fleet owners. As you found out, there are a lot of great people in our industry. Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator

Nice post. Tom and Steve are a good bunch of guys. Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator

That information looks to be pretty dated. You do have me scratching my head jumping from expediting to real estate. Plenty of good buys out there especially in Michigan, but I have to wonder who would buy? Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator

The relocation system definitely needs work. I don't understand the automated empty move system. You can be essentially pre-dispatched on your next load (made aware) and a few seconds after you send the depart consignee message, here comes this automated empty move message. That just doesn't...

I have to agree. Sprinters or a vehicle of that capacity should be either on another rate, or pay a higher rate on the runs that utilize that vehicle. Davekc owner 23 years PantherII EO moderator