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Heheheh ... now that's a real strong comeback there Layout ..... Outstanding way to avoid the issues raised I must say ... ;) pjjjj, I hope you didn't mind my slight "diversion" on this .... seemed entirely relevant given some of what was being said .... how did it seem to you ?

Good point ..... of course, you are right .... I have absolutely no reason to think that you would want to pay attention to current events over the last 10 or so years to same degree as I. Point taken. Yeah .... the Lt. Col. is a she .... her name is Karen .... :rolleyes:

Lew Rockwell isn't a liberal .... he's a libertarian .... Potentially a very big difference, depending on what one's understanding of the word "liberal" is ........

So let's look at the facts shall we: We go into a country either through overt military, or other covert, means, fight and subdue the any opposition to our being there, and then arrange for the installation of a puppet government who is compliant with our wishes ..... and then they "invite" us...

I'd suggest you may wish to acquaint yourself with the full history of General Curtis "Dr. Strangelove" LeMay, who managed to rise to the rank of Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force. He advocated to Kennedy that we make preemptive thermonuclear strikes against the USSR ...

I think that is very much open to debate. I'm fairly sure that if you were to go outside the US, into some of the lands we've been occupying, you find a far different viewpoint on the matter. It's been documented that there have been over 100,000 Iraqis killed since we arrived ..... No...

Really ? You have no idea who Karen Kwiatkowski is ? .... wow ..... ya really might wanna Google that name and have a look ...... :rolleyes: .... and BTW, "he" is very much a "she" ....

Just so we are really clear on this one particular point, since I didn't address it my former reply: The stealing of unauthorized classified material qualifies as ..... the stealing of unauthorized classified material. It, alone, is not treason.

Whew ...... I was afraid you were going to suggest a room :D It's always for the point ..... always .... ;)

Nice try ... but that dog don't hunt ..... ;) BTW, using your logic (sans the military personnel aspect, since Ellsberg was a civilian) the New York Times would have been "engaged in treason" for merely receiving the Pentagon Papers ..... you really, really, really may want to read up how the...