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  1. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    Better communication is clearly needed there in any case. But if that report it true, the question then becomes how did that happen? Was it provoked? Did Brown just walk up to the officer and hammer him, or was Brown defending himself? At least one report said that when the officer stopped and...
  2. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    A link that has a laundry list of each and every incident? No, I don't have that. So feel free to believe it's all sketchy and that I made it up.
  3. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    Ten people can witness the same event, and you can get ten different versions of the event from them. That's hardly a surprise.
  4. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    Why is it "likely" to have happened? Maybe if Brown had dropped his box of cigars the cop would have issued a citation for littering, too. Enforcing a jaywalking law in the middle of the day on a residential street that has very little traffic is ridiculous. Ridiculous. Unless, you want to show...
  5. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    Statistics show that very, very few cops are ever convicted of a bad shooting, even when it's clear they were trigger happy. The reality is most people will believe the cops, or at the very least give them the benefit of the doubt, in the absence of video. If there is video, we want to see more...
  6. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    For jaywalking on a residential street that doesn't get much traffic? Seriously? No, that's not his job, unless he's Barley Fife on a tear, or a bully cop wanting to show people who's boss.
  7. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    If the officer felt he was in danger, he wouldn't have stopped and confronted the two in the street in the first place, nor gotten out of the vehicle, he would have called for backup right away. Instead, he was confident enough to exit the vehicle and confront a man twice his size. Of course, a...
  8. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    I never said it was the most important thing. What I said was, you keep focusing on it like it is, however. The fact is that looting often accompanies rioting, so that it occurs should not warrant such focus. The looting is a symptom, nit a cause. You're not focusing on it, but you keep...
  9. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    Yes I do. Several if you like. Why do you want them? Do you think I'm making it up or something? Are you chomping at the bit to discredit the source? :D Some warn that Gov. Jay Nixon's curfew for Ferguson, Mo., may backfire - LA Times Background of prosecutor in Ferguson case has some...
  10. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    It's clear that your position is one to find some way that the dead guy is the one at fault and to exonerate the cop, period. That's OK, I get that. That's what people do. That doesn't change the fact that there is no justification for a trained police officer shooting an unarmed man 5 times...
  11. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    That's not what I'm saying at all. You keep focusing on the looting, as if that's the most important thing here. Wow.
  12. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    Most cops aren't prosecuted even when they are guilty. There's always something like "the perp was going for my gun" get-out-of-jail-free card that gets played. Have you never noticed how often the unarmed black dead guy went for the officer's gun? It's like every time.
  13. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    "They" did, but "they" didn't at the time of the shooting, and neither did the cop. The robbery was irrelevant to the shooting itself. That's why releasing the video made so many people so angry. But none of that even matters, unless you have a deep-seeded interest in making sure this was a...
  14. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    What shakes out is what we've known for a few hundred years - America isn't for black people. At same time that police in Ferguson, Mo. were tear-gassing people protesting the killing of 18-year-old Mike Brown Monday night, police in Los Angeles were shooting another young, unarmed black man...
  15. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    I haven't read it anywhere. It's a conclusion drawn by being observant. The police have been in CYA Panic Mode since the shooting. Rather than release facts, they release things that make the dead guy look bad and the police look like Oz the Great and Powerful. When they are finally forced to...
  16. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    But he was. You could suppose all kinds of things, I suppose, but from both the accounts of the police and of witnesses, there was a scuffle where he was really, really, close to the officer, and then when he was shot by the officer he was farther away from the officer, which doesn't indicate...
  17. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    A door which closed tight as soon as he fled. There can be no justification for shooting an unarmed man who is fleeing, or standing there with his arms up in surrender. I know, I know, but even if it's a black man it still can't be justified. It just can't. And the response from Missouri law...
  18. Turtle

    CNN and MSNBC stirring racial unrest in Ferguson, MO.

    This is just brutal. Humorous, but brutal with needle precision. "If you're a cop in the United States, you need to dress for the job you have, not the job you want." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A
  19. Turtle

    Hilary's speaking requirements

    I know some expediters who have similarly ridiculous requirements for taking a load. :D
  20. Turtle

    Welcome to August Please Save Us!!! Location Forum

    Stop violating the Code of Conduct and your posts will remain perfectly unsullied.
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