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    Taking offense at flags

    No one is trying to erase or rewrite history (except the southerns who insist the Confederate battle flag has nothing to do with racism and that the Civil War was about states rights and had nothing to do with wanting to preserve slavery). What's happening now is something that has been repeated...
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    Taking offense at flags

    If you're a burger flipper, probably not, but as a North Charleston cop, yeah.
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    Taking offense at flags

    Just don't be too quick to dismiss the fact that there are actual hand-recorded records of actual slave ownership.
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    Taking offense at flags

    That's like saying the Detroit economy wasn't some large monolithic unit synchronized to the auto industry. Of course it was. It wasn't 100% of the economy, but it 100% effected it. The King Cotton slave economy of 1800-1860 was huge, about as close to a monolithic unit as is possible. It not...
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    Taking offense at flags

    The entire economy of the South was built on slavery. Everyone living and working in that economy benefited from it. Everyone. Southern armies didn't form to repel attacks from the North, they formed in order to fight for the right to keep their economy in tact.
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    Taking offense at flags

    Hate is a pretty strong word. I think it's more of a disregard for and disrespect of a large segment of humanity. The flag certainly represents a strong animosity, if not a hatred of having the most powerful and successful economic tool ever invented being taken away.
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    Taking offense at flags

    You mean like someone believing the Civil War was fought over "taxation without representation" despite the fact the South was fully represented in Congress?
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    Taking offense at flags

    Symbols covey an unambiguous message to anyone who knows the symbol, regardless of intent. That's why people use symbols. The action of a state to incorporate the Confederate battle flag into their own State Flag, or to raise that battle flag above the State House and other state buildings, as a...
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    Guns save lives

    Quite true, however in this issue, the Supreme Court has consistently ruled many times in many ways that personal ownership of arms shall not be infringed. I don't much like the fact that they've ruled the manner in which someone can bear arms (concealed or not) can be regulated (and thus...
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    Taking offense at flags

    He's an actor, right? He claims the flag represents the indomitable spirit of independence, as well as the values of the rural South, including courage, family and good times. He just didn't include all of the values of the rural South, like slavery and racism, and he didn't mention that the...
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    Taking offense at flags

    Actually, Ben Jones is a liberal Democrat.
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    Which Expediter Will Be the First to Use Driver Cams?

    It's about monitoring, managing and modifying the behavior of drivers. It doesn't get to be more about control than that.
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    Taking offense at flags

    The Confederate Flag is coming off Bo and Luke's General Lee, as well. But the problem of the Confederate flag isn't that it's an historical flag that unites the South or shows pride in the South in any way. After the Civil War that flag all but disappeared. General Lee didn't even want it at...
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    June in Load One land

    The question is, do you squeak when your legs are rubbed together? 'Cause that would be awesome.
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    Guns save lives

    No, it couldn't be proven every time. It couldn't be proven any of the time, actually. The future of what might happen as a possibility or even a probability remains just that, and not an inevitability. I would also agree that anyone who believes there would not have been more shootings in some...
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    Guns save lives

    The problem is (other than it happens sooooo often that a Web site is devoted to keeping a record of them, the total of which you can count on bare feet and one hand), that Web site assumes the worst would have happened in every case, yet there is simply no way to predict what didn't happen, as...
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    It was chicken afterall

    I wanna see the chicken's long-form birth certificate.
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    Welfare reform

    States have always allowed parents to opt out their kids from sex education, at least wince the 1920s, anyway, when it started to become widely taught in schools. Sex ed in schools have always had a moral viewpoint. Always. The morality in sex ed reflects the morality of the parents and...
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    Welfare reform

    But it's not to the exclusion of comprehensive education. Those states are high, but they don't hold a candle to New Mexico. All of those states present abstinence education in the sex ed curriculum. I guess they don't "stress" it, whatever that means. Liberal opinion sites like thinkprogress...
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    Relentlessly [and of course, anonymously] stupid

    Incredibly so. You have to be able to know which buttons to push, and how, and be predict people's knee-jerk reactions and know their gullibility. I think it's dishonest and immoral, too. That doesn't mean it's not smart. They aren't mutually exclusive. Doesn't matter. She's gamed them fully...
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