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  1. Turtle

    Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

    I don't believe you.
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    Really poor manners # 32403 ?

    I'd certainly call Panther before I posted his truck number on a public forum. But if I called Panther, are they supposed to punish the guy on my sayso? It's just an unsubstantiated allegation that I can't prove (which is why I certainly wouldn't post such a thing on a public forum). I could...
  3. Turtle

    Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

    Just out of curiosity, what are you driving these days, and just how extensive is your law enforcement experience? I had an uncle who was a cop, shot and killed in the line of duty. So it's not like I'm unaware of the dangers cops face.
  4. Turtle

    Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

    I concur. It appears, before they had even arrived, they had already determined they were going to get him before he got them.
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    New computer time?

    My first C64 was that price. I looked at a Mac first (4 grand) , then the C64. $400 was an easy choice, considering I had no clue what I was going to do with it. Honestly, it was the modem (300 baud monster) and telecommunications that got me hooked, hard.
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    New computer time?

    Ah, memories. My first was the C64 with a tape drive. Then I got a C128 and the 1541 floppy, and later the 1351 3.5" disk drive (had two of those bad boys). I also had a 1MB geoRAM drive. I was a Q-Guide on Q-Link (Quantumlink for Commodore computers, which later became AOL when it was...
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    Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

    You're quite welcome. It's not a direct link you're likely to find on Google. It's from a journalism search database that requires a subscription, or at the very leas a borrowed login and password from a journalist. You are quite probably the last person on the Internet I'd give that information to.
  8. Turtle

    Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

    Oh, as this thread clearly demonstrates, it can go much older than that. It doesn't matter whether the gun was real or not, nor how old suspect was, they just pulled up and just him, in less than 2 seconds.
  9. Turtle

    Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

    It's a lie because the video refutes it utterly. The Chief backed off that statement once the video was released and showed it to be a lie. He exited the vehicle before the vehicle had even stopped. Their observation before hand was barreling off-road across a park at 40 MPH ,so I'm not sure...
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    Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

    Far as I know, Hollinger never worked at Case Western Reserve University in any capacity. Beth Mandl, however, did, and according to the Case Western Reserve University Press student-run newspaper The Observer, Beth Mandl was terminated, in part. for "failing to adequately and timely relay...
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    New computer time?

    In 1989 I paid $900 for a Western Digital 20 MB hard drive. It was going to take 100 years to fill that up. Now I have photographs that are 50 MB.
  12. Turtle

    Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

    I didn't forget to mention it. Right. None of which the officers received. I'm not sure. You'd have to ask him. But the most likely speculation would be that he thought it was probably fake, but he wasn't sure, and that it might be real, and the not knowing one way or the other scred the crap...
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    The Bill of No Rights

    This Internet legend written in 1993 by Lewis Napper, (<--- click for background on the piece) a self-described amateur philosopher and from Mississippi who ran for a U.S. Senate seat in 2000 as a Libertarian, not by Mitchell Kaye, a Georgia state representative from Marietta. What I like...
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    Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

    Who exactly are you trying to defend with this utterly absurd line of thinking. Not a single thing the 911 caller said was a verified fact. The caller said there was "a male black sitting on a swing and pointing a gun at people." How does he know it was a male? Unless he can give specific...
  15. Turtle

    Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

    Yeah, even if they don't see it. The dispatcher is at least as culpable as the cop who puled the trigger, in my opinion. The dispatcher set the stage for this to happen. If dispatch had relayed "it's probably fake" and "a juvenile" to the officers, they may have approached the scene entirely...
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    The Trump Card...

    Not to mention it totally deflects attention away from the word. A study limited to her college days, probably not. But a study of her college days and how attitudes and philosophies developed at that time have been applied over her career absolutely. Not at the moment, mainly because those...
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    Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

    No, none whatsoever. But a lot of things interest me, with law enforcement and the judicial system just being one segment of my interests. I also think that certainly plays a large factor. But I think more to the heart of the matter is that the police have lost the trust and consent of the...
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    US Army POW is released in swap for 5 Gitmo detainees.

    Depends on what the investigation came up with. Abandoning the post is pretty bad in my opinion, and I think deserves being stripped of rank, pay forfeiture, and a dishonorable discharge, because there is no honor in abandoning your post in which others are counting on you to man. But I'm not in...
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    Potential expediter average income???

    Xiggi nailed it. Drilling down his numbers further, with the Rule of Thirds being what they are (1/3 each goes to operating expenses, the truck, and to you), you can count on about $25,000 to $30,000 net a year in a cargo van or Sprinter. Much more than that and either you're doing extremely...
  20. Turtle

    Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

    The dispatcher is hardly blameless in this, and should be charged as an accomplice to aggravated murder, or separately for negligent homicide. The officers arrived in an offensive tactical manner not in a position of defense, never saw the gun before they fired, never even attempted to assess...
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