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BUT he doesn't have to answer the question, he already has. This is an important point that people seem to miss. There is no CONSTITUTIONAL requirement to produce any documents because it wasn't a requirement that people had a birth certificate when this country was formed or for more than 180...

I know that, it was easy to figure out but the sad thing is we allow people to set the rules for ourselves to protect the country and then because the tourist industry cries about it, they create all kinds of alternatives which means nothing at all because they still ask you the same questions...

Good! Well here is a good example of twisted logic. We refused Yassir Arafat a request for a visa when he was asked by the UN to speak about the Palestinian problem back in the 80's but we allowed another terrorist in to do a fund raiser for a terrorist organization under the guise of peace...

All you guys seriously just don't get it, I mean look around and see what has happened ... A return of the free market from the regulation dark ages You seriously want to change this? I mean if there is some changes, it may negativity impact the entire industry. But then we have chicken...

What puzzles me is why we allow the copyright of works to extend past the original 20 years? I mean the system was to allow people to use the work of others after the time expired as a fair use of the work but having Doyle's work extend a hundred years seems to defeat the purpose of even having...

Yep, so I don't see what your point is with the original post. I mean you are in the system, the GC is essentially a passport in a different form but with some responsibility attached to it to be a good boy or else we take the card away and we kick you out.

GC/PR - the same thing to a citizen because we don't need it nor want one. The point is this - those can be taken away if you screw up at the US border. Where mine can not be taken away unless a court takes it during a bail hearing or something really really stupid, like if I have back child...

Re: CV rates and logging I didn't get any PM from John but I think from this disclosure, he looks at it as I have been trying to say it is.

End Child Abuse ... End Public Schools

Again you get the abortion thing wrong, no one says it is a right, the court decided that the state has no business sticking their nose into your life with any procedure being done based on the constitution, hence the 'right to privacy' was the issue, not the right to the abortion. What seems...

But 30 years ago I didn't care and today I don't care - someone had to have gone through the process and stamp that document that he is authentic. If not the ramifications of this would impact the country so deeply we would not recover for a long long time.

I have one word - DRILL It doesn't matter. In the next fifteen years the artic will be changing enough where the fishes and wiskery things will be either gone or moved into another area.

Well I think OVM misses an important point - if you are a foreign national, the US government won't issue you a US passport IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND with your green card, your information is in the system and they can look you up the same as a passport so that is your passport. BUT what they...

Well if the shoe fits ... you are all stealing my loads :rolleyes:

I don't know what Turtle is going to tell you, but I can tell you that troubleshooting the layout is not possible via a forum. You have to look at what voltage the batteries are getting at the posts and work backwards.

Re: CV rates and logging So that would mean that most van drivers would make like 15 cents a mile?

Why even ask, we all know the answer.

Of course we are. Just look around ...

Well seeing we play God everywhere else, why not? Maybe we can bring back troglodytes to fight the other creatures that we could bring back or inject some intelligence into our species.

Call the ATA and OOIDA