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Then you look like you're in cahoots with the OP.

Ride your horse into town and check your mail with your Colt strapped to your waist and no one even blinks...:) You can get a horse, strap Andrew Luck to your waist, and ride to town in San Francisco also. It wouldn't be as boring...,

Rags is more ethical than that. He probably missed turtle's post while doing research.

I absolutely hate the idea of getting back on the road again....no such thing as driving in the blood...I am done with it... I've said something similar twice in my life. Within months I was glad to be back in a truck. I was younger and the choice was drive or work elsewhere. Retirement was...

Stop the suffering. Order a Transit.

I did! One of these days I'll get drunk and read them again. Then maybe we can communicate on the same drunken plane. From your response I figure you're the one that's drunk. And I'm not on a plane.

Moot, do you have a thing against bar stools ? I once sat on a wheel chock but really didn't find it comfortable.

If I were in Dayton tonight I could ask Murray about CRE's position, if the jukebox wasn't too loud.

Next time John checks in, he can give us his opinion on the usefulness of your form, or the reporting of off duty the previous seven days for someone that was hauling freight in an under 10,000 pound vehicle. I believe he addressed part two, but he'll need to simplify his answer.

Glancing back quickly to see what I may have missed, I see references to "I used to....." I used to doesn't cut it in 2017.

Turtle is getting it. Moot, since I didn't read your form, does it say 10 hrs on the first, 12 hrs on the second, or does it reflect noon to 10 pm on the first, 0600 to 1800 on the second, etc ? I'm thinking since 395.2 that the less informative form would have become obsolete. JM said that as...

Moot, I'll save you some time. Don't bother re-reading the entire thread or the title. Read John Mueller's first two sentences. Carefully. If you want to play truck driver, at times you'll have to act like a truck driver.

What you should read is this entire thread, including the title, to understand how an Hours Of Service Certificate could be used by a cargo van driver, instead of an ELD, when hauling hazmat. I've probably used the same form, or similar, when starting at any new carrier. Did you really say...

I read the title. And the thread. I'm just more in line with John Mueller's thinking. Some van people may think likewise but they want to follow your thought process because it works better in the van world. I image by the end of 2018 we'll read a courts idea of which idea is correct. I doubt...

Because 395.2 changed the logging requirements. And to be frank, I didn't read your document. Either because it wouldn't show clearly on my iPhone or it was too far into happy hour for my eyes to focus.

A team with one week experience getting .50 per mile for a large volume of miles seems good to me. Getting a good experience at their pace. They could spend days in Ca and not get much more than that. And they should be in a good freight area. Plus, weekend miles. I'd say they did all...

Anything before 395.2 was issued is likely to be irrelevant.

Not too sure about UPS road drivers. Last I heard they were hourly. UPS Freight would be mileage.

Terry, wouldn't HOS exempt work in the van the previous seven days, be similar to the pizza delivery work, if there was compensation for driving the van ? Hmmm....