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to all who engaged in this discussion, thankyou, i enjoyed it. while we may not agree on things, we are indeed blessed to be able to openly debate them in our society. difference of opinions often lead to understanding., sometimes hatred, i dont hate any of you and i hope you can believe...

ditto my friend ditto. for what you are so hard not trying to afford me, you sure want me to afford it to you. quote by ontariovanman "So now by decree...a non smoker has more rights then I do? A non smoker could walk away from a situation they didn't like I no longer have that...

why do insist on adding meanings to my words. your interpretations on my beliefs are .... well lacking. Turtle, try and get this. By law i am given rights. i expect those rights to be honored. at this moment in time one of rights is to go places in Ohio and not be subjected to smokers...

awww, c'mon dad, just a little more, this really good stuff!!! besides, we were just havin fun......

I hope your shorts arent all twisted because of me. Let me help you here. It is representative democracy that we have in the us. Dont take my word, really, I dont want any part of you twisting my words. I never mention democracy as my preference, i did tout majority rule. Keep it...

Hi Buddy, My wife, Linda, and I got into expediting last year at this time. Overall, it has been a very positive experience. We are with Fedex CC and I do not know what the similarities or differences there would be between Express1 and Fedex. It is long hours and staying away from home...

Man you keep my rolling Turtle. Get a grip on reality. Has it always been all or nothing with you. If you vote Democrat and the Republican wins, I guess you are SOL until four years rolls around and maybe your candidate gets in. You just dont get it do you. You are afforded the...

amen to that. some call it macho, i call it, being a man.

No, you got it wrong in as much the only part of the quote that applied to you was the "this is funny or was it sad?" The rest went straight to Turtle. As for your logic that isnt applied to all topics. What makes your point of view logical? Your cool calm demeanor? Citing of Supreme...

SMOKE BAD........... HEALTH GOOD.

Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, TO SMOKE IN PUBLIC PLACES and to petition the government for a...

Ya got me chuckling again. Do you really believe that smokers are a minority protected by the constitution? C'mon tell me it aint so.

"Oh and we are not a democracy, you really don't want one." I was wondering why you said that? Did I say we were a democracy or did I say I wanted one? Or was it just a tidbit tossed out to mull on? Hmmmm, I wonder.

Turtle, As far as arguing emotionally, I cant deny that one, my wife wants to know what i am chuckling about as I two finger the keyboard. Whether you smoke or not is of no concern to me. In a court of law the appointed defense attorney doesnt have to believe in the innocence of his client...

I agree with you! I find it hypocritical in Cleveland that they raise a sin tax on cigs to pay for sport stadiums, yet ban smokers from smoking in those venues. I never said I believe that everything being done was justifiable, my stance has been soley around the rights afforded me. I want...

Greg, what you do or I do in our home, car and property i mostly agree with you, its our business. yet cases can be made for justifiable invasion of homes in the case of, drugs, child porn, and other illicit activities. Now if you choose to walk those paths, i think you know someone at...

The other issue that every one skirted around, in ohio, the majority voted in the ban on smoking. Clean and simple. The smokers lost their right to invade a non-smokers space. Nobody like to lose what they enjoyed as a freedom for eons, yet the smokers lost. ITS THE AMERICAN...

Well congratulations to you turtle!! ya got all kinds of support for your position. mighty strong argument, NOT. a quote "Nicotine dependence is the physical vulnerability of your body to the chemical nicotine, which is potently addicting when delivered by various tobacco products. Smoke...

Hmmmmm i see fake moral ethics as being the real culprit now. If the sin/crime/questionable activity is something a lot of people do, well it must be okay. how dare we as a society want clean air, healthy lungs and the right not to have to be subjected to some ones fowl habit. it is easier...

A bottle of tylenol, anti acid tablets, wet ones and a big bag of starburst. Good luck to you!!!