Death by DeSantis

ATeam

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Time to drop out Ron and go back to being a great governor until Gaetz takes over in 2026.
A great governor would not turn his back on the people who elected him to be a governor to trot off and run for president.
 
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ATeam

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Others have done that. Get elected or re-elected Governor and then run for president. He hasn’t been the first.
DeSantis's story is his own. He trotted off to run for president, failed miserably on the national stage, and will return to Florida politics as a diminished figure and lame duck governor who is term-limited out.
 
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DeSantis's story is his own. He trotted off to run for president, failed miserably on the national stage, and will return to Florida politics as a diminished figure and lame duck governor who is term-limited out.
He has two years left. A long time to be a lame duck.
But many tried to dissuade him from running for President against Trump.
 
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A great governor would not turn his back on the people who elected him to be a governor to trot off and run for president.
Actually, there have been quite a few state governors - some great - who have run for president while still holding his state office. Eight have moved straight from a governor's mansion to the White House. Gov Ronald Reagan lost his first campaign to Gerald Ford but came back to win a landslide four years later. DeSantis, like Reagan, is on solid ground whether he wins or loses.

 
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Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas and told voters he would serve his full term, but soon after winning re-election he began running for President.
 
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Actually, there have been quite a few state governors - some great - who have run for president while still holding his state office. Eight have moved straight from a governor's mansion to the White House. Gov Ronald Reagan lost his first campaign to Gerald Ford but came back to win a landslide four years later. DeSantis, like Reagan, is on solid ground whether he wins or loses.

The fact that others have done it does not make it right. If you run for office and win, the voters have the right to expect you to serve out your term or resign before you run for president. That was the state's official position for years. Florida had, until recently, a "resign-to-run" law that required elected officials to resign their position before running for president.

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The "resign-to-run" law was originally passed in 2018 in response to concerns that elected officials who are running for higher office may have a conflict of interest if they are allowed to remain in their current position.

DeSantis signed the bill into law quietly, with no fanfare, hours before his formal presidential launch, which came in the form of an interview with Twitter owner Elon Musk during a Twitter Spaces event.

Critics of the law have accused DeSantis of putting his own political ambitions ahead of the needs of Floridians. They argue that the law is unnecessary and that it could create a conflict of interest if DeSantis were to run for president while still serving as governor.


As things turned out, the critics were right. A host of conflicts of interest developed between DeSantis's presidential ambitions and his responsibilities to the state.
 
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Arkansas didn’t seem to mind. They voted for Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996 for President. Even after making the promise not to run for President.
 

Pilgrim

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The fact that others have done it does not make it right. If you run for office and win, the voters have the right to expect you to serve out your term or resign before you run for president. That was the state's official position for years. Florida had, until recently, a "resign-to-run" law that required elected officials to resign their position before running for president.
It's not a question of being right or wrong - it's a matter of historical reality that since the early days of the country it has been common for state governors to run for national political office (eg POTUS, VPOTUS, US Senate) while simultaneously holding their state position. Before FL changed their law it was one of only five states to have a "resign to run" law. The change - which was not the first time it has been tweaked - brought FL in line with the other 45 states in the country.
Google Bard:
DeSantis signed the bill into law quietly, with no fanfare, hours before his formal presidential launch, which came in the form of an interview with Twitter owner Elon Musk during a Twitter Spaces event.
This is more Bard misrepresentation. The passage of this bill was reported by numerous news agencies like CNN (on Apr 28, 2023) well before DeSantis announced his candidacy on May 24th.
Critics of the law have accused DeSantis of putting his own political ambitions ahead of the needs of Floridians. They argue that the law is unnecessary and that it could create a conflict of interest if DeSantis were to run for president while still serving as governor.

As things turned out, the critics were right. A host of conflicts of interest developed between DeSantis's presidential ambitions and his responsibilities to the state.
DeSantis critics must have programmed Google Bard to generate their editorial opinions. As stated previously, eight presidents have vacated their governor's offices to campaign for and win the Oval Office including liberal Democrats FDR and Bill Clinton, who were not subjected to petty criticism like the stuff being directed at DeSantis. Numerous other governors have run national campaigns while in office and lost, with no adverse consequences to their states.
 
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ATeam

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It's not a question of being right or wrong -
This FL citizen says it is very wrong for our governor (or any governor) to hold that job while actively campaigning to be president at the same time. Governor is a full-time job requiring the full attention of the person so elected. As a taxpayer, I don't want to pay my governor to run for president. I want to pay him or her to be my governor.
 
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My favorite quote from the article:

“Joseph Ladapo is an embarrassment to his profession, the University of Florida, and the State of Florida itself,” said Fried. “From pushing wild conspiracy theories to stumping for Ron’s presidential campaign, Ladapo has repeatedly disrespected the ethical principles of both medicine and government. This quack should never have been given tenure at UF, let alone an appointment as Florida’s Surgeon General.”
 
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Another quote. It was from Biden:
"You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," and "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."
 
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Another quote. It was from Biden:
"You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," and "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."
And when did he say that? We now know that is not true, but for a long time it was thought to be true.
 
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And when did he say that? We now know that is not true, but for a long time it was thought to be true.
July of 2021. Several months after the vaccine was implemented. Why would he make promises that he didn’t know to be true?
 
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July of 2021. Several months after the vaccine was implemented. Why would he make promises that he didn’t know to be true?
At the time, it is quite possible he believed them to be true. There is a lot about COVID-19 that many people believed to be true that they do not believe any more. And there are things they did not believe to be true that they believe now. Everyone, including politicians, gets to change their minds when new information becomes available.
 
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At the time, it is quite possible he believed them to be true. There is a lot about COVID-19 that many people believed to be true that they do not believe any more. And there are things they did not believe to be true that they believe now. Everyone, including politicians, gets to change their minds when new information becomes available.
Then they should say that is their belief instead of speaking definitively.
 
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