Stretching generator pm interval

ChanceMaster

Expert Expediter
Our new truck has a brand new Onan commercial QD 8k generator.

Manufacturer calls for service at 50 hrs. We are already past 30 hrs not even a week into owning it.

Is anyone stretching the p/m intervals on these ? I'm planning on doing my own p/m service on the unit after having a shop do it the first few times.

Thanks.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Our new truck has a brand new Onan commercial QD 8k generator.

Manufacturer calls for service at 50 hrs. We are already past 30 hrs not even a week into owning it.

Is anyone stretching the p/m intervals on these ? I'm planning on doing my own p/m service on the unit after having a shop do it the first few times.

Thanks.

I know nothing of Onan's....but I am thinking you'll void any warranty if you miss the PM check ups...
 

tknight

Veteran Expediter
50 hrs is around 2500 miles on a motor , keep in mind your gen only has about a gallon of oil in it so oil changes are needed very regular. I have a 12 k gen in my bus and I've extended changes and filter changes by using synthetic oil in it to over 150 hrs. Check owners manual for onans preferred specs on synthetics.
Tk
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
there are by pass oil filtration for generators.
good investment.
50 hours interval is enslaving yourself to the rig.
 

tknight

Veteran Expediter
I use Royal purple sny oil in mine it's been out of warranty for many years now and has 4580 hrs on it . I've heard life expectancy is around 10k hrs or about 50,000 running miles if your translating that at 50mph run time.
 

tknight

Veteran Expediter
Don't forget to cool it down (no load) for a few min to extend seal life these are small engines and heat is an enemy!
 

ChanceMaster

Expert Expediter
Now looking into Oil Bypass filters, synthetics, and warranties. Good info on cooling down period, never thought of that.
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
go to a GOOD Cummins generator shop. {NOT a truck/rv shop}there are a few model options. they need to know where to 'steal' the oil pressure from.
after they install it, look for the largest filter that can be installed, normally a Napa guy can help. that'll increase oil capacity in circulation.
be careful when changing oil grade. 'some' Cummins/onan have a filter bypass valve, that allow unfiltered oil to by pass the spin on filter in-case it is plugged or in cold start. there is an conversion kit, that'll trig the oil protection shotoff when that valve is on.
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
50 hrs is the first oil change. The oil filter on there now is smaller than the one you'll use in the future.
ARI made a big point of using Onan filters only, at least during warranty.
That may have been a ploy to have me buy filters from them as a convenience.
I bought a years supply of filters at Cummins, Commerce City, Co and got a discount.
Interval is 150 hrs. It holds 3 qts of oil. I do fuel filter at 300 hrs and airfilter at about 500 hrs.
I've never been to a speedco that wouldn't do the oil change. About $32 with 3 qts of their Rottela.
I plan to start doing it myself. Pretty simple. I like the paper trail provided by Speedco and as I get older I don't feel like laying in urine soaked parking lots.
I bought the drain pan, 3 qts of Rottela, have the filters, and last weekend gave Speedco the $32 to do it.
Now I think I'll do it myself only in an emergency. Not too hot. Not too cold. Somewhat decent parking area. Leisure time.
It is a very easy service to do.
 

tknight

Veteran Expediter
I install a fumoto valve and hose on mine,I always have an empty gallon to tells bottle handy put hose in bottle,open fumoto and 3 mins later its done
Tk
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
I like the fumoto valve. I bought a small drain pan that seals tight to hold oil in event I may carry it a few days until I find a suitable disposal site.
It's also available if I find myself changing a fuel filter on a shoulder or Walmart lot. The opening is maybe 8" and easy to "hit".
I'm not Green. I'm not a pig, either.
 

ChanceMaster

Expert Expediter
Not only GREAT info here, I'm actually going to adhere to it !!

Was very surprised ( shocked actually) to learn the stand alone price on these units is $8-$10K..I don't want to damage the unit obviously.

Learning and reading manuals this weekend.

Chance.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
For the Sprinter oil changes I use a Fumoto drain valve plug and a 2.5 gallon gas can to catch the oil. Initially I had a drain hose connected to the Fumoto valve and put that into the gas can to drain the oil, but as it turned out I can just stick the flexible spout hose from the can right into the Fumoto valve. Never spill a drop.

I got that idea from when we had an RV with an Onan RV QD 8000 diesel generator and used a Fumoto drain valve with a drain hose going to a 1-gallon gas can.

We used the same synthetic oil in the generator that we used in the RV. We used a Wix/NAPA oil filter most of the time. While truck, car and RV engines are designed for longer oil change intervals with synthetic oil, generator and other small engines generally are not. In that generator, 3 quarts of oil is simply not enough oil to provide both the lubrication necessary and have enough left over for for a "wash reservoir" to keep contaminants suspended for extended intervals. Change it at 150 hours (after the first 50 hour change, of course). In a pinch (raining, snowing, just an all-around nasty day) you can extended it to 175 hours, especially if you use a good synthetic oil and a good filter, but I wouldn't make it a habit.

You can use synthetic or dino oil, and many use dino oil rather than synthetic simply because you are going to change it every 150 hours regardless, and they don't see the benefits of the more expensive oil. But it's only 3 quarts, and using synthetic will not only let the generator run quieter, it will use less fuel. Most of those who stick with dino oil over synthetic are the casual RV crowd who camp one or two weekends a year and/or are mostly hooked up to shore power, and rarely even get 150 hours out of their generator in a year.

You would use synthetic oil to better preserve the engine, rather than to achieve the same engine wear via extended intervals. Frankly, repair expenses on a generator, especially on an Onan is just crazy (Onan sees you coming) and it's better to protect and preserve the motor with synthetic every 150 hours than it is to try and use synthetic to extend the interval.

Also keep in mind that when operating the generator in very hot (95° F or hotter) and in dusty conditions, the oil and filter should be changed more often than 150 hours, closer to 125 or fewer hours. In the summer, especially if you run the generator a lot while driving or a lot during the day, I'd go 125 hours, maybe even 100 hours. With a Fumoto drain valve and a drain hose it's like a 10 minute oil change, if that long. It's well worth the time to keep that engine protected and as preserved as possible.

Just some things to ponder. :)
 

jimby82

Veteran Expediter
Just a note: you can easily run up 50, 60 or even more hours on a generator sitting on a long, hot weekend. (A/C running constantly, cooking, TV/Satellite...)

We have a 7500 Watt Onan. long since out of warranty. Unit currently has almost 12,000 hours on it.

Our fleet owner has us change all three filters and oil every 400 hours. (I do the change myself. Takes about 45 min.)
So far no issues. Use regular old Delvac 15w40. We only use OEM (Onan/Cummings filters.)

Another easily overlooked maint item: clean out the spark arrestor. The manual calls for this every 150 hours (same as oil and filter interval. You'll need a ratchet and a very long extension or 2!) If having someone else perform the maint. remind them!

As a side note about our extended service interval: the generator on our trucks rarely runs at top speed, unlike the ones in motorhomes. (Were usually not running several rooftop air units, full kitchen, several TVs...) We just don't stress them as much. Our 400 hours may put less wear and tear on the engine than 150 under heavy usage. It works for us :)

Good luck and congrats on the new ride!
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
I remember reading once a month or so you should run the Onan at as heavy a load as you can for awhile.
Phil is really up on the Onans.
 

jimby82

Veteran Expediter
Do you do the spark arrestor every pm ?

We have started doing every oil change. Missed it entirely, until a friend of ours pointed it out to us. Our generator started to "smoke" a little occasionally. Since cleaning the spark arrestor, no problems.

The arrestor is a "plug" in the exhaust, located near the muffler. Way up in the guts of the unit. Remove (unscrew) the plug, run gen. on high for 5 min or so. Replace plug, and you're set. (Make sure you let the gen. cool down between steps!)

Cleans out any built up carbon or soot in the exhaust system.
 

ChanceMaster

Expert Expediter
Thanks for all the great info, just had our 50 hour service completed ( @ 41 hours) at a Cummins dealership. We were fortunate enough to be close to one after delivery.

2 hour wait ( can get you after lunch break ) and then 2 hours for the service ..they claimed the unit was SO new that they did not have the correct filter. Meanwhile I'm biting my nails hoping we don't get a ASAP load OP.

I'm an impatient guy to begin with, so I can definitely see the benefits of doing this service myself. I bought 6 of each filter needed and stowed in tool box ( I think we are going to stick to OEM filters ) and probably get shop service a few more times to be safe, then I will do them.

BTW, the first 50 hour service cost the owner $149.06 ( Cummins dealership Springfield, MO. )

Owner has agreed to purchase a fumoto valve for the generator, and a pair of coveralls for me.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge everyone.

Gary.
 

Murraycroexp

Veteran Expediter
Dare I ask if there's a "favored" generator out there? Honda 2000? I'm either going to have to invest in a generator and porta air or motel rooms. I only slept about 90 minutes yesterday morning as the temp rose in Charlotte. I'm fairly tolerant but sweat and sleep do not mix!!! I did a lot of motels last summer. Some for as few as 5-6 hours.

I would only need enough generator for about a 13K a/c unit, I believe. My van (extended) is NOT insulated so I'm guessing my a/c would need a few more BTUs to compensate.

As for other power consumed, I guess worst case it might be a laptop and phone charger. I'm kind of a minimalist on power consumption. Considered a frig but at some point I'm thinking it would take up more space than I'd want to lose.

Opinions??
 
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