Logging

AMonger · May 7, 2012

Well, it looks like I'm exiting the van world, and re-entering the big truck world. The HOS have changed since I was doing that, and I have to get up to speed on the changes.

When I was driving, it was almost impossible for a team to run out of hours. It could happen under the right circumstances, but pretty darn rare. But I understand that now it's much easier for a team to run out of hours, is that right?

layoutshooter · May 7, 2012

AMonger said:
Well, it looks like I'm exiting the van world, and re-entering the big truck world. The HOS have changed since I was doing that, and I have to get up to speed on the changes.

When I was driving, it was almost impossible for a team to run out of hours. It could happen under the right circumstances, but pretty darn rare. But I understand that now it's much easier for a team to run out of hours, is that right?

We have had to do at least 4 34 hours resets this year already. That is of course do to the nature of much of the freight we carry and because we have just been VERY busy for most of the year.

shadow7663 · May 7, 2012

AMonger said:
Well, it looks like I'm exiting the van world, and re-entering the big truck world. The HOS have changed since I was doing that, and I have to get up to speed on the changes.

When I was driving, it was almost impossible for a team to run out of hours. It could happen under the right circumstances, but pretty darn rare. But I understand that now it's much easier for a team to run out of hours, is that right?

If teams run 10 on 10 off you will never run out of hours.

AMonger · May 7, 2012

shadow7663 said:
If teams run 10 on 10 off you will never run out of hours.

That wasn't true before, and my understanding is it's easier to run out now. When I was in driving school, they had us do an exercise in which we were in Miami and we had runs taking us through Texas and then up to Seattle. Even as teams, we ran out of hours. Showing us that was the point of the exercise.

zorry · May 7, 2012

Yes a team can run out of hours. Pretty hard to do. If you get an EOBR it's easier to avoid.

layoutshooter · May 7, 2012

zorry said:
Yes a team can run out of hours. Pretty hard to do. If you get an EOBR it's easier to avoid.

I don't understand how an EOBR makes it easier to avoid. 70 hours is 70 hours, on paper or an EOBR. Explain please?

CharlesD · May 7, 2012

I think you lose some minutes here and there with the paper log because of everything being in 15 minute increments while an electronic log does everything right to the minute.

layoutshooter · May 7, 2012

CharlesD said:
I think you lose some minutes here and there with the paper log because of everything being in 15 minute increments while an electronic log does everything right to the minute.

Maybe that. Those minutes would help once in a while, but not often.

AMonger · May 7, 2012

layoutshooter said:
Maybe that. Those minutes would help once in a while, but not often.

Doesn't an EOBR display a timer or countdown in real time?

layoutshooter · May 7, 2012

AMonger said:
Doesn't an EOBR display a timer or countdown in real time?

Yes, it does.

paullud · May 7, 2012

CharlesD said:
I think you lose some minutes here and there with the paper log because of everything being in 15 minute increments while an electronic log does everything right to the minute.

You have to log in 15 minute increments but that helps you gain time not lose it, you just plan ahead. Ex. If I stop at 5:07 I have to log it as 5:00 so I actually gained 7 minutes. Then you stay put until 5:23 which is logged as 5:30 which gives you another 7 minutes. It is creative stopping and can legally be used to help when needed. Obviously stopping and starting 10 times in 10 hours is going to raise some red flags but if you need an extra 5 or 10 minutes to run legally it helps.

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paullud · May 7, 2012

AMonger said:
Well, it looks like I'm exiting the van world, and re-entering the big truck world. The HOS have changed since I was doing that, and I have to get up to speed on the changes.

When I was driving, it was almost impossible for a team to run out of hours. It could happen under the right circumstances, but pretty darn rare. But I understand that now it's much easier for a team to run out of hours, is that right?

Are you going to stay in expedite?

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AMonger · May 7, 2012

paullud said:
Are you going to stay in expedite?

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I have 2 irons in the fire right now, so I'm not sure. Probably not, even though I enjoy it. If the right expedite opportunity came along, I definitely would. One of the irons in the fire is a local job. Steady work, but I don't know if being off the road will drive me crazy.

zorry · May 7, 2012

The eobr I think gains most people an hour and half or so a week with 4 and 5 minute entries that used to be 15.
What I was thimking was the countdown timer that eliminates mistakes. And the auto recap. If we are running low on hours I look at available hours and make a mental note. I have 20 hours, partner has 15. With 35 hours we are good for a run x miles long, but I need longer shifts than my partner.
Two weeks ago I met a friend. The team was doing a reset: one drivet had 2 hours and the other had twenty. I may tell the wife only drive 8 today,I'll drive 10.5 and fuel,unload. We often keep our hours within an hour of each other.
Also the eobr will let you use the split sleeper berth rule. I doubt if 10% understand it, but I'll look at recap and see I can finish the run after 8 in the bunk, I will access the benefits at that time.

BobWolf · May 8, 2012

You still have 11/14 hour clock of work day with 10 off duty.
11 hours of it driving.
A pluss and maby the only one is any time resting in a PARKED C.M.V. OR IN THE PASSENGER SEAT COUNTS AS OFF DUTY TIME.
the sucky parts are as follow.
(1) If you plan to run the full 11/14 you have to show on paper a 1/2 hour break no more than 7 hours into your work day. Unfortunately they have to force some carriers to allow us drivers to eat lunch and take a leak man Im glad im independant.
The parts that realy suck are
(2) They took away the short haul provision that allow local/regional 11/16 work day we could take twice a week this came in handy for my regional customers.
(3) you can only take one restart per week and they need at least two consecutive overnight periods. Two nights in a row.
(4) Being off duty still dose not extend your day your breaks and off duty still count against your 14 hours unless you take 10 off.
For example 14 hours available 11 hours driving 1/2 hour break you use 11.5 hours you have 2.5 hour to work, do your pre/post trips fuel, etc. Basicly you loose 1/2 hour of manual labor.

Its not too much different than its been for the past six or seven years just the 1/2 hour break kinda gets in the way.
and you cant restart as often as you want

I think I shoulda had my head examined before getting into trucking.

Bob Wolf

AMonger · May 8, 2012

Finally, a to-the-point answer. If I take the local job, much of that won't apply, but they tell me they run up to 15 hour days, 3-5 deliveries per day, sometimes a couple hours at a dock while on the clock. My other opportunity keeps me on the road so all those would apply.