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witness23

Veteran Expediter
Contraception by the numbers....

$9
Monthly cost of some generic versions of the birth control pill ($108 a year)

$90
Monthly cost of some brand-name versions of the pill ($1,080 a year)

$55
Monthly cost of vaginal ring or birth-control patch ($660 a year)

$60
Annual cost of using a diaphragm and spermicide, including mandatory doctor's exam

$150
Annual cost of using condoms, twice a week

$220-$460
Annual cost of getting a birth control shot (Depo-Provera)

$600-$1,000
One-time cost of getting an intrauterine device (IUD) implanted (effective for up to 12 years)

$350-$1,000
One-time cost of a vasectomy (male sterilization)

$1,500-$6,000
One-time cost of female sterilization

$0
Up-front cost of abstinence and "fertility awareness" (rhythm method)

5
Percent of U.S. women who use an IUD, which is 99 percent effective

75
Percent of participants in a 10,000-woman St. Louis study that chose IUDs from a range of free contraception options

80
Percent of those IUD users who have stuck with the method after a year

50
Percent of birth control pill users in the same study who've stuck with their choice after a year

6.7 million
Pregnancies in the U.S. each year

3.2 million
Unintended pregnancies in the U.S. each year (49 percent of total)

$12,500
Annual amount average, middle-income couples spend on each child, according to the USDA

$11.1 billion
Public funds spent on the births of unintended babies in 2006 ($6.5 billion federal, $4.6 billion states)

$7 billion
Amount Medicaid and other government programs saved in 2008 by investing $1.9 billion in family planning centers (Guttmacher Institute)

99
Percent of women age 15-44 who've had sex and used contraception at some point

50
Percent of women on the pill who say they take it for non-contraceptive health reasons (often as well as for birth control)

Rush Limbaugh voicing his misogynist opinion to the lowest common denominator of the American people for three days, and losing advertisers because of it:

Priceless !!!!
 

davekc

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Again, did you watch, listen or read Ms. Fluke's testimony?

Thought it posted. Watched it. As for Limbaugh, I don't listen to him, but he has many of the advertisers back already. I read he even turned a few away that wanted back. Don't know if the last part is factual, but it was on NBC Nightly News.
He likely has enough cash, 56 million a year, that losing some advertisers wouldn't upset him too much
 
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clcooper

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I DONT CARE WHAT RUSH SAID OR WHAT THE LADY SAID . I DONT CARE WHO HAS MORE MONEY . each one of us have our own bad points . some of you ***** about your rights being taken away . but you are the first ones to take the rights away from others. so if you want to throw stones you better move out of your glass house first .

BUT I DO CARE THAT THIS IS THE TYPE OF CRAP THAT HAS PUT THE USA IN THE CONDUTION IT IS IN . AND IT IS TIME IT STOPS . lets move forward . that is what our founding fathers wanted . to make a better country not to go back to the old ways . and that is where we are headed

It don’t mean nothing WHO's quotes I used. it is what the quotes say is why I used them
People need to cover their own lives. It is called "Personal Responsibility" It works, really well.

i agree but the way things are today the top needs to show Responsibility. before the lower levels do .
PEOPLE NEED TO START DOING THEIR JOBS THEY WERE HIRED TO DO AND QUIT WORRYING ABOUT THEIR 15 MIN. OF FAME

ps you said something about your one job . they told you it was ok to go after this group of bad guys but you were not aloud to go after the other group of bad guys . . i ask why would they say that . you dont need to answer me i already know i just hope other know why . dont bite the hand that feeds you type of thing

She went to Georgetown just to cause a stur about this every issue.
to cause a stur about every issue .sounds like a lot of other people from both sides .


And he considers himself an arbiter of other peoples' morals?!

arbiter of OTHER peoples' morals . there is allot that are trying to be OUR arbiters and tell us what our morals should be . too many want our morals to be just like theirs . weather it is the right moral or the wrong moral

He likely has enough cash, 56 million a year, that losing some advertisers wouldn't upset him too much

do you think anybody that makes that much a year would get upset if a few pheasant people are lost . remember we all are just a number to them and they can erase us and never lose a night of sleep


what about Viagra should that be treated different or the same way as birth control.

do you know in the military if you need to use Viagra it is as a disability and they get 10% added to their disabilit and a life time supply of free Viagra,. yes if you are shot there or retired from the military with full benefits . then it should be covered and the same if it was a female that served .

if the insurance companies cover Viagra there should be no reason they don't cover birth control .

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL

like I said I am not for or against Rush or even the lady he talked about . we need to learn to move forward not backwards . and stupid stuff like this is a move backwards .

ask yourselves how much is your life worth . can you put a dollar amount on it . how much is a loved ones life with to you . . how much is any human life worth .

ask yourself WHY and then ask yourself WHY you said what you said to the first WHY.
 
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layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
"do you know in the military if you need to use Viagra it is as a disability and they get 10% added to their disability and a life time supply of free Viagra"


This is 100% UNTRUE! Where did you get this? NO one get's free meds from the VA until they are on a 50% or greater disability rating. ED is NOT considered for disability, UNLESS, it is due to injury suffered in the line of duty.

"ps you said something about your one job . they told you it was ok to go after this group of bad guys but you were not aloud to go after the other group of bad guys . . i ask why would they say that . you dont need to answer me i already know i just hope other know why . dont bite the hand that feeds you" type of thing"

We were ORDERED to go after certain drug cartels and ORDERED not to go after others. WHY? I don't know. My belief is that Clinton was in bed with those were were ORDERED NOT to go after. It would be interesting to know how YOU know exactly why the orders came down as they did, since none of us who were there did.

"but you are the first ones to take the rights away from others. so if you want to throw stones you better move out of your glass house first "

What "RIGHTS" have I advocated taking away from anyone?
:confused:
 

clcooper

Expert Expediter
"do you know in the military if you need to use Viagra it is as a disability and they get 10% added to their disability and a life time supply of free Viagra"


This is 100% UNTRUE! Where did you get this? NO one get's free meds from the VA until they are on a 50% or greater disability rating. ED is NOT considered for disability, UNLESS, it is due to injury suffered in the line of duty.

"ps you said something about your one job . they told you it was ok to go after this group of bad guys but you were not aloud to go after the other group of bad guys . . i ask why would they say that . you dont need to answer me i already know i just hope other know why . dont bite the hand that feeds you" type of thing"

We were ORDERED to go after certain drug cartels and ORDERED not to go after others. WHY? I don't know. My belief is that Clinton was in bed with those were were ORDERED NOT to go after. It would be interesting to know how YOU know exactly why the orders came down as they did, since none of us who were there did.

"but you are the first ones to take the rights away from others. so if you want to throw stones you better move out of your glass house first "

What "RIGHTS" have I advocated taking away from anyone?
:confused:

guys that were in said . when i worked with them . one was even a Master Sergeant or a Warrant Officer. .( he was the highest he could go ) no they got 10% added so if the were 40% with ED they would be 50% then .

"My belief is that Clinton was in bed" is Clinton the only person to ever do something like that . NO .
how i know is called common sense ,the ability to think . sort of like how people find the facts to stuff .

like i said i didn't mean YOU as you layoutshooter . it is up to you to find out if it is you . that is not my propose.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
"guys that were in said . when i worked with them . one was even a Master Sergeant or a Warrant Officer. .( he was the highest he could go ) no they got 10% added so if the were 40% with ED they would be 50% then"

None of what you said is in the VA compensation manuals. You can check for you self at the VA site.

The compensation does not work that way either. An 'additional" 10% rating does NOT up your rating by 10%, UNLESS, that 10% was part of your initial claim. That 10% would be rated at 10% of the initial 40% which would equal 44%. That gives you NO more money and NO free meds. THAT is the reality.



"My belief is that Clinton was in bed" is Clinton the only person to ever do something like that . NO .
how i know is called common sense ,the ability to think . sort of like how people find the facts to stuff ."


There cannot be 'common sense' if there is no common knowledge. There is no way you have had any access to that information. Clinton was the ONLY one to task a mission that I was involved with to handle law enforcement. He was the ONLY one to have the "justice department" send direct tasking to a DOD Agency.
 

clcooper

Expert Expediter
"do you know in the military if you need to use Viagra it is as a disability and they get 10% added to their disability and a life time supply of free Viagra"


This is 100% UNTRUE! Where did you get this? NO one get's free meds from the VA until they are on a 50% or greater disability rating. ED is NOT considered for disability, UNLESS, it is due to injury suffered in the line of duty.

"ps you said something about your one job . they told you it was ok to go after this group of bad guys but you were not aloud to go after the other group of bad guys . . i ask why would they say that . you dont need to answer me i already know i just hope other know why . dont bite the hand that feeds you" type of thing"

We were ORDERED to go after certain drug cartels and ORDERED not to go after others. WHY? I don't know. My belief is that Clinton was in bed with those were were ORDERED NOT to go after. It would be interesting to know how YOU know exactly why the orders came down as they did, since none of us who were there did.

"but you are the first ones to take the rights away from others. so if you want to throw stones you better move out of your glass house first "

What "RIGHTS" have I advocated taking away from anyone?
:confused:

i am not attacking the military . just using them as a example .

2012 VA Disability Compensation Rates | Military.com

10% - 20% (With or Without Dependents)

Percentage Rate

10% $127
20% $251


The End of Paper Claims

Facing a jump to $22 in their co-payment for Viagra, almost 16,000 military beneficiaries being treated for erectile dysfunction last year decided to change medicine, and did so over just four months.

They switched to Levitra, the only erectile drug still on the military’s "uniform formulary." As a brand-name drug on the formulary, Levitra’s co-payment is $9 whether obtained in the TRICARE retail network or by mail-order. Also formulary prescriptions are filled for at a base pharmacy.

A Military Veterans Guide To Disability Compensation and Pension Benefits - Conditions - Erectile Dysfunction - a knol by Jim Strickland
 
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clcooper

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"guys that were in said . when i worked with them . one was even a Master Sergeant or a Warrant Officer. .( he was the highest he could go ) no they got 10% added so if the were 40% with ED they would be 50% then"

None of what you said is in the VA compensation manuals. You can check for you self at the VA site.

The compensation does not work that way either. An 'additional" 10% rating does NOT up your rating by 10%, UNLESS, that 10% was part of your initial claim. That 10% would be rated at 10% of the initial 40% which would equal 44%. That gives you NO more money and NO free meds. THAT is the reality.



"My belief is that Clinton was in bed" is Clinton the only person to ever do something like that . NO .
how i know is called common sense ,the ability to think . sort of like how people find the facts to stuff ."


There cannot be 'common sense' if there is no common knowledge. There is no way you have had any access to that information. Clinton was the ONLY one to task a mission that I was involved with to handle law enforcement. He was the ONLY one to have the "justice department" send direct tasking to a DOD Agency.

so we should just forget about it and do nothing . and let them keep doing stuff like that .

hoover said there was no such thing as the Mafia . many people believed the earth was flat also

again i dont care if it was bush that did that . i dont care how he did . I ONLY CARE IT DOESNT HAPPEN AGAIN
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
2012 VA Disability Compensation Rates | Military.com

10% - 20% (With or Without Dependents)

Percentage Rate

10% $127
20% $251


The End of Paper Claims

Facing a jump to $22 in their co-payment for Viagra, almost 16,000 military beneficiaries being treated for erectile dysfunction last year decided to change medicine, and did so over just four months.

They switched to Levitra, the only erectile drug still on the military’s "uniform formulary." As a brand-name drug on the formulary, Levitra’s co-payment is $9 whether obtained in the TRICARE retail network or by mail-order. Also formulary prescriptions are filled for at a base pharmacy.

A Military Veterans Guide To Disability Compensation and Pension Benefits - Conditions - Erectile Dysfunction - a knol by Jim Strickland

They pay co-pays on ALL meds if their disability is under 50%, UNLESS, the meds required are for a service connected injury or illness. That INCLUDES ED meds.

The copays are for 30 day supplies. Mail order is all 90 and copays are x3.

Not sure why you posted the comp rates.
 

Pilgrim

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Originally Posted by witness23
Did you watch or read her testimony?


I suffered through it. what is your point? That a rich (or at least funded by the 1%), anti catholic, pro abortion 30 year old 'student' selected a catholic school to attend just so she could complain and force a religious organization to cover something that is against the churchs beliefs?
She went to Georgetown just to cause a stur about this every issue.
For those who haven't read it here's a transcript of her statement:
LGF Pages - Full Transcript of Sandra Fluke's Testimony

It's a good thing she wasn't under oath, because this drivel is full of misrepresentations and outright lies. It's probably the only way she could justify her demand that a Jesuit university provide contraceptives and other services - FREE OF CHARGE - in spite of this practice being against their fundamental religious beliefs. The fact that Obama and his lackeys in HHS tried a sleight of hand trick by shifting the mandate to the insurance companies changes nothing and is only accounting smoke and mirrors. Regardless of the insurance company provision, someone has to pay for these goods and services (other policy holders) and rates will rise accordingly. The Catholic Church recognized this and of course will refuse to comply with these unconstitutional interference upon their religious practices. Once again, the spokesmen of the GOP have stumbled around on this issue and failed to emphasize the crux of the matter - freedom of religion. Instead they let Obama and the Democrats spin it into a "war against women", which is hardly the case.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
so we should just forget about it and do nothing . and let them keep doing stuff like that .

hoover said there was no such thing as the Mafia . many people believed the earth was flat also

again i dont care if it was bush that did that . i dont care how he did . I ONLY CARE IT DOESNT HAPPEN AGAIN

Forget about what? What does Hoover have to do with anything you or I were talking about? What happen again?



More on the VA including the link on how percentages are figured.

The disparity between your math and VA's is a formula, set in law, for combining disability ratings for separate service-related medical conditions. It's a more complex formula than the simple addition of each rating percentage.


For example, VA doesn't add a 10-percent disability with a 60-percent disability and conclude that a veteran has a combined rating of 70 percent. Instead, VA calculates the impact of each condition, starting with the most severe, on what remains of a veteran's assumed "efficiency."


To understand this, assume that a veteran's most severe condition is rated 60 percent disabling. From VA's perspective that veteran is left with 40 percent efficiency. The same veteran has another 10 percent disabling condition. When considered alone, the second condition leaves the veteran 90 percent efficient.
To calculate the combined effect of the two, VA multiplies 40 percent (.4) efficiency by 90 percent (.9) efficiency and finds the veteran 36 percent (.36) efficient. Stated another way, that veteran is 64 percent disabled.


The law then requires that the combined disability rating be rounded to the nearest percentage divisible by 10. In the above example, that would be 60 percent, not the 70 percent result calculated achieved by adding disability ratings.


VA claim adjudicators don't actually have to make such calculations themselves. They refer to a Combined Ratings Table to do the math for them. You can find more information on VA disability ratings and a link to the Combined Ratings Table at:www.warms.vba.va.gov/bookc.html. The table is found in Subpart A, Section 4.25 – Tom Philpott
 

clcooper

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They pay co-pays on ALL meds if their disability is under 50%, UNLESS, the meds required are for a service connected injury or illness. That INCLUDES ED meds.

The copays are for 30 day supplies. Mail order is all 90 and copays are x3.

Not sure why you posted the comp rates.

why are the comp rates to be kept sercet .
"NO one get's free meds from the VA until they are on a 50% or greater disability rating"
but they do get free money for being under 50% .

but if they are 50% their Viagra is free .

so it is ok for the ones under 50% to pay a co pay for Viagra . but it is not ok for women with their brith control

WHY IS IT OK FOR THIS GROUP BUT NOT FOR THE OTHER GROUP .
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
why are the comp rates to be kept sercet .
"NO one get's free meds from the VA until they are on a 50% or greater disability rating"
but they do get free money for being under 50% .

but if they are 50% their Viagra is free .

so it is ok for the ones under 50% to pay a co pay for Viagra . but it is not ok for women with their brith control

WHY IS IT OK FOR THIS GROUP BUT NOT FOR THE OTHER GROUP .


Since when are comp rates secret? They are now and always have been public.

FREE MONEY? FOR BEING SHOT? INJURED? FREE MONEY? TRY EARNED. Free money my hind leg. To say that is to slap every disabled vet in the face!!:mad:
I DARE you to go down to the VA hospital in your area and tell those guys that they are getting 'free money'. That was a purely hateful and disgusting thing to say.

Birth control is not used for a service connected injury or illness, now is it?

OK for which group and not which other?

IF you mean disabled vets, they EARNED those rights. EARNED is the key.
 

clcooper

Expert Expediter
Forget about what? What does Hoover have to do with anything you or I were talking about? What happen again?



More on the VA including the link on how percentages are figured.

The disparity between your math and VA's is a formula, set in law, for combining disability ratings for separate service-related medical conditions. It's a more complex formula than the simple addition of each rating percentage.


For example, VA doesn't add a 10-percent disability with a 60-percent disability and conclude that a veteran has a combined rating of 70 percent. Instead, VA calculates the impact of each condition, starting with the most severe, on what remains of a veteran's assumed "efficiency."


To understand this, assume that a veteran's most severe condition is rated 60 percent disabling. From VA's perspective that veteran is left with 40 percent efficiency. The same veteran has another 10 percent disabling condition. When considered alone, the second condition leaves the veteran 90 percent efficient.
To calculate the combined effect of the two, VA multiplies 40 percent (.4) efficiency by 90 percent (.9) efficiency and finds the veteran 36 percent (.36) efficient. Stated another way, that veteran is 64 percent disabled.


The law then requires that the combined disability rating be rounded to the nearest percentage divisible by 10. In the above example, that would be 60 percent, not the 70 percent result calculated achieved by adding disability ratings.


VA claim adjudicators don't actually have to make such calculations themselves. They refer to a Combined Ratings Table to do the math for them. You can find more information on VA disability ratings and a link to the Combined Ratings Table at:www.warms.vba.va.gov/bookc.html. The table is found in Subpart A, Section 4.25 – Tom Philpott

I DONT CARE IF ED WAS 20% AND ONLY ADDED 2% it still adds to it .
so instead of worrying about how i worded why dont you try to understand what i am saying .

forget about what clinton did . so it can happen again

hoover as alot to do with it . the way some people think . look up what he said about the mafia all the years he was head of the fbi ( he wore his blinders )
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I DONT CARE IF ED WAS 20% AND ONLY ADDED 2% it still adds to it .
so instead of worrying about how i worded why dont you try to understand what i am saying .

forget about what clinton did . so it can happen again

hoover as alot to do with it . the way some people think . look up what he said about the mafia all the years he was head of the fbi ( he wore his blinders )


It is quite obvious that you did not read how the rating work. 2% gains nothing in pay nor benefits. Your hate of those who earned things that, for what ever reason, you did not is blinding you.

I can't understand your writing. Sorry, it's not clear.
 

clcooper

Expert Expediter
Since when are comp rates secret? They are now and always have been public.

FREE MONEY? FOR BEING SHOT? INJURED? FREE MONEY? TRY EARNED. Free money my hind leg. To say that is to slap every disabled vet in the face!!:mad:
I DARE you to go down to the VA hospital in your area and tell those guys that they are getting 'free money'. That was a purely hateful and disgusting thing to say.

Birth control is not used for a service connected injury or illness, now is it?

OK for which group and not which other?

IF you mean disabled vets, they EARNED those rights. EARNED is the key.

I DARE you to learn to read

did you or did you not ask me why i posted the comp rates . like if they are to be secret. or do you forget that quick

but you are the one that said their meds are not free . get your head of your donkey and learn to comprehend what you read .

where did i say anything about them getting free money for being shot . WHERE . you talk about others getting off topic . you do a great job your self . we were talking about ED not about anybody being shot .

QUIT JUDGING AND START READING and you ask what is wrong with people . you should ask that person in the mirror that sometime .

"OK for which group and not which other? " think about ask somebody else to explain it to you .remember what Clinton did and ask your self this group or that group .

or is it i type to fast for you
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
"but they do get free money for being under 50% ."


You said the above, YOU said free money. YOU slapped every disabled vet in the face. Free money my hind leg.
 

clcooper

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It is quite obvious that you did not read how the rating work. 2% gains nothing in pay nor benefits. Your hate of those who earned things that, for what ever reason, you did not is blinding you.

I can't understand your writing. Sorry, it's not clear.


ED and brith control not about what the military makes not about high blood pressere about ED and brith control

It is quite obvious that you did not read I DONT CARE WEATHER IT IS 2% 0R 20%
HOW CAN YOU SAY WHAT I EARNED AND WHAT I DID YOU DONT KNOW ME

maybe it is you dont want to understand because you dont want your illusion destroyed .
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
ED and brith control not about what the military makes not about high blood pressere about ED and brith control

It is quite obvious that you did not read I DONT CARE WEATHER IT IS 2% 0R 20%
HOW CAN YOU SAY WHAT I EARNED AND WHAT I DID YOU DONT KNOW ME

maybe it is you dont want to understand because you dont want your illusion destroyed .

I have no illusions. Good night Poindexter, where ever you are. I am leaving before I get my self banned.

Free money, my hind leg.
 
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