I think Obama maybe on the right track with this issue

OntarioVanMan

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Obama: End tax breaks to stop overseas hiring - Yahoo! News

By JULIE PACE, Associated Press Writer Julie Pace, Associated Press Writer – 20 mins ago

WASHINGTON – End tax breaks that reward some U.S. companies with overseas subsidiaries and encourage those businesses to create jobs in other countries, President Barack Obama is telling Congress.

Yet it's an idea that has raised concerns even among some lawmakers in the president's own party.

At issue is a bill, now stalled in the Senate, that would do away with some tax credits and deferrals for U.S. companies for operations abroad.

"There is no reason why our tax code should actively reward them for creating jobs overseas," Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address Saturday. "Instead, we should be using our tax dollars to reward companies that create jobs and businesses within our borders."

Though Obama singled out Republican opposition, the bill also failed to get support from some Democrats, including the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont. He has expressed concern that the change would put the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage.

The ending of the tax provisions has run into opposition from business groups, including the National Association of Manufacturers.

Obama said that while companies that conduct business internationally do make an important contribution to the U.S. economy, it doesn't make sense to grant them tax breaks when companies at home are struggling to rebound from the economic crisis.

Obama has said he wants revenue collected from ending the tax provisions to go to other business tax breaks, by making permanent research and development tax credits and allowing businesses next year to write off all new equipment costs.

In the GOP address, Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., urged House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., to call Congress back into session to take an immediate vote on whether to extend Bush-era tax cuts.

"The prosperity of the American people is more important than the political fortunes of any politician or any political party," Pence said.
 

jjoerger

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Wow! Not rewarding big business with tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas. What a novel concept.
I doubt it will happen as most of those big business' have a Senator or two working on there behalf (at least until November)to keep craziness like this from happening.
 

greg334

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NO it is not the right thing to do.

See many don't get this part, even if they do this, the companies will go around the problem by creating a company in the country that they sourced their labor and then use that as a legitimate tax write off because of the cost of doing business.

All of this feel good BS put people back to work crap is just crap. The government doesn't need to do anything accept get out of the way.

The real problem is not the tax incentives which actually existed for the last 70 years, it is the problem that we have no business centric culture any more and have moved away from allowing business to prosper on their own. This issue is coupled with the fact that our labor costs are TOO HIGH which will not be sustainable unless there is government intervention and then at that point we need to start speaking French and wear funny hats.

THIS IS ALL A CONTINUING CYCLE between our ability to export and wages. This time around with the recession, we screwed ourselves by having massive spending when we needed to just simply enforce the laws and regulations.

This is another problem with Obama, we can't continue to restrict companies to make money a specific way, it hurts us. We are number 6 on the list of the most economically free countries from the Fraser Institute. Coming in on number 9 is Mauritius (look it up and see what it is all about). Ahead of us is Chile, Switzerland, New Zealand, Singapore and Hong Kong.
 

OntarioVanMan

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NO it is not the right thing to do.

See many don't get this part, even if they do this, the companies will go around the problem by creating a company in the country that they sourced their labor and then use that as a legitimate tax write off because of the cost of doing business.

All of this feel good BS put people back to work crap is just crap. The government doesn't need to do anything accept get out of the way.

The real problem is not the tax incentives which actually existed for the last 70 years, it is the problem that we have no business centric culture any more and have moved away from allowing business to prosper on their own. This issue is coupled with the fact that our labor costs are TOO HIGH which will not be sustainable unless there is government intervention and then at that point we need to start speaking French and wear funny hats.

THIS IS ALL A CONTINUING CYCLE between our ability to export and wages. This time around with the recession, we screwed ourselves by having massive spending when we needed to just simply enforce the laws and regulations.

This is another problem with Obama, we can't continue to restrict companies to make money a specific way, it hurts us. We are number 6 on the list of the most economically free countries from the Fraser Institute. Coming in on number 9 is Mauritius (look it up and see what it is all about). Ahead of us is Chile, Switzerland, New Zealand, Singapore and Hong Kong.

After all I did say "maybe";)
 

greg334

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What do you do all day, sit at the computer and stare out the window at your sprinter? :p

God you have a high post count :eek:
 

FIS53

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Many Americans would agree to the removal of tax credits for foreign investment or hiring of foreigners in busineses established elsewhere. After all home is where things are not moving.
But Greg makes a decent point that business will find another route to doing business with or without certain tax incentives as these are not the only incentives available.

The US had a great manufacturing base back in the 60's and lead the world. Foreign mfrs have gained ground and the American business world let them. The foreign business leaders took a page from the American business plan and expanded on it while American businesses got complacent and greedy. Many foreign mfrs went for simplicity (to start), consistant quality, decent quality and built customer loyalty. So now the foreigners are building new plants in America and providing jobs they still maintain quality and consistancy. The American and Canadian workers make reasonable money in these foreign owned factories.

American products used to dominate the home electronics and appliance business but today we see few American products and a lot of foreign ones. Americans say it's due to lower wages in foreign factories but this is only partially true. German wages are fairly high as are Japanese ones (look at the cost of living in Japan). So how are they competing in a line of products the Americans once dominated? Autos are another area with the same thing happening. Americans used to dominate the home market and now Japanese cars and German cars have a huge market share. Wages are only part of the reason.

American has the know how and the capability to do better and has shown it can, but it has lost it's desire to be number one.
Rob
 
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