Estimate $4 gas by spring

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
The news the morning had a piece on rising oil prices. Oil increased overnight to $102 per barrel. The ones in the know estimate gas prices to be over $4 a gallon by spring. Based on what I have seen at the pump diesel will be near $4.50 a gallon. I would hope the carriers see this coming and increase the FSC accordingly. It seems that sometimes this increase lags behind. This has all the makings of a slow year. Sorry to post the doom and gloom but high fuel is squeezing my budget.
 
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Everyones on the squeeze....I read about the $4 gallon last week which was written as prices jumped when the release that inventories were climbing...doesn't make sense...
Same old problem of smoke and mirrors...no lack of oil...it's REFINING!!
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Have you noticed on TV more commercials by CSX? They are pushing rail freight as an alternative.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
One thing about rail freight once it rolls it can be cross country pretty quick if they mainline the train....If they could tighten up thier lines they could be a real force to reckon with...
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
I saw one of them that showed a very long train that boasted about 1 gal per hour. Cheap transport for sure. They had at least 70 to 80 containers on there. A real force for sure.
 

tblount

Seasoned Expediter
I saw one of them that showed a very long train that boasted about 1 gal per hour. Cheap transport for sure. They had at least 70 to 80 containers on there. A real force for sure.

Am I reading this right? 1 gal per hour to operate a train? Maybe 1 gallon per ton per hour??

Trains can move freight for 5 times LESS fuel than trucks. I don't think trains have to pay fuel taxes either.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
tblount; I will have to watch it again more closely to see exactly what he said. I am sure that was it but I will make sure. I know the engine on a train powers the generator that makes it go. But even if it were a $1 per mile with 70 to 80 containers coast to coast it would be less than 4000 gals. at $4 bucks it would be around $16k to move 70 t0 80 truckloads coast to coast. That my friend is one heck of a savings.
 

tblount

Seasoned Expediter
Everyones on the squeeze....I read about the $4 gallon last week which was written as prices jumped when the release that inventories were climbing...doesn't make sense...
Same old problem of smoke and mirrors...no lack of oil...it's REFINING!!

Oil companies don't want more refineries. They haven't built a new one since 1973 .... 45 YEARS ago. The oil companies have SUBSTANTIAL influence in government through their campaign contributions and other kickbacks... such as hiring important people and giving them huge salaries... that's why the top 3 made 62 BILLION in PROFIT last year... which is more than the entire budget of most nations in the world.

A very few oil companies have monopolized the industry yet congress refuses to exercise their authority to enforce the Sherman Anti-trust act:

The Act provides: "Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a felony..."

Even the trucking industry sits quietly by and just passes on the cost to consumers... although they have rights under the Clayton Act (1914) extended the right to sue under the antitrust laws to "any person who shall be injured in his business or property by reason of anything forbidden in the antitrust laws."

It shouldn't be difficult to convince a jury that the oil companies are guilty of price fixing.... just sit on the corner of an intersection where the major gas companies locate their stores and watch all the prices change within an hour.. or even minutes of each other.

I guess we just have to wait for a "correction" that comes from overpricing... like in the credit card and lending sector. Now that their lending rates have been overpriced... even as much as 30% for a while... millions of their customers are defaulting on the loans. Their greed has cost them billions and their businesses are failing.

Sooner or later the big consumers like truck stops are going to buy a boat and start buying from cheaper sources to average down their prices and beat competition. If gas can be bought for 14 cents a gallon at gas stations in Venseula... eventually retailers are going to figure out how to get it.
 
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babs3361

Expert Expediter
So If there costs are so effiencent why is it we as tax payers have to give them subsides. Because they are not more effiecent. Rail is at full capacity and they lose way to many loads somewhere. We as a expediter have had to go to a rail yard to have a container off loaded to get it to a customer. Hubby ran rail for 13 + yrs. containers get lost all the time. We as tax payers have to bail them out all the time.
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Trains will have no impact on the type of freight we haul.

In fact, I haul frequent amounts of freight for CSX between their train yards. Why? Because it is emergency freight. Trains haul regular freight.

$4.00 per gallon should come as no surprise. Until Americans start changing their driving habits the price will be reflective of our consumption levels.

Example: I pay taxes that go toward maintaining a fleet of school buses. These buses move 60 students with much greater fuel savings than 60 students driving mom and dad's cars to school, or even their own cars for that matter.

Example: Federal tax dollars support a Regional Transist Authority that has a huge fleet of buses. I watch them pass the house every 30-50 minutes, depending on the time of day, and they are empty 75% of the time. Empty! They could not operate without federal funding. Gee, maybe we should ask the federal government to subsidize expediters too. Not!

Example: Shoppers could do all of their grocery and mall shopping in one trip if they would simply have a plan; you know, a pencil and paper to make a list, but they make 3,4 or 5 trips per week to the stores to buy everything they forgot on the last trip.

Plain and simple, fuel prices are still not high enough to cause consumers to change their habits. Unfortunately, commercial users are affected by the poor choices of those who are unwilling to give up the convenience of wasting fuel.

Wake up America! Tell your kids no, get on the bus. Get some grit. Get a backbone.

I wouldn't worry about the trains. You should be more concerned about planes flying overhead and parachuting freight to consignees. Maybe they will start using expediting boats to run up and down the rivers next. Lions, and tigers, and bears, oh my!

What next? Black helicopter theorists?
 

tblount

Seasoned Expediter
So If there costs are so effiencent why is it we as tax payers have to give them subsides. Because they are not more effiecent. Rail is at full capacity and they lose way to many loads somewhere. We as a expediter have had to go to a rail yard to have a container off loaded to get it to a customer. Hubby ran rail for 13 + yrs. containers get lost all the time. We as tax payers have to bail them out all the time.

We subsidize the truckin industry every time we see a price rise at the grocery store, most of the increase is for transporting the food (and goods) at higher fuel prices.

The current rail structure is inadequate for the rapid delivery. Most major cities would be without food in a few days... NY city would run out in ONE day without the rapid delivery system in place.
 

hondaking38

Veteran Expediter
paid 3.99.9 for diesel at truck stop 30 miles north of albany ny friday...about at close to 4.00 a gallon as u can get
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Just watched a piece on Higher trucker cost on CNN. The owner of the truckstop said he only makes .02 per gallon. So we know where the money is going. I disagree with the cost on shelf offsets or subsidizes the trucking industry. I see rates out there right know that are not much different than they were 20 years ago. Heck 20 years ago with my flat w/sides I was shooting for a buck a mile. There are owner operators out there today that are getting less than that. They depend on the fuel surcharge to offset the broker rip offs. Deregulation only did one thing. It brought the snakes out of the grass. Now they bite all of us. Everyone of these guys sits and waits to cut a rate so they can make some cash. It does not matter about the trucker and never will it is all about the greed.
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
My brother is a pipe inspector; mostly nuclear power plants; some gas, oil and coal burning power plants; and since refineries have a lot of pipe they also inspect them.

To dispell any of the "Black Helicopter Theories" and all other weird conjectures (take your pick) the refining companies have not built new refineries because it is not as cost-effective as simply expanding the current locations from which they already own. Gee, have you checked the price of new land acquistion or the federal regulations for new plant start ups?

There are different regulations which are much less restrictive to simply expand capacity as opposed to building a new facility on virgin ground. Refining companies have markedly increased the capacity over the last 45 years. In fact, they have doubled the output at numerous locations. I can site several locations to which I have personally hauled freight.

My brother also reminded me of how many industries burn oil. Pull up Yorktown ,VA on your Google Map. Sitting right next to the Yorktown Power Plant is an oil storage depot. You can actually see the pipeline from the oil depot running directly to the power station. Many coastal power plants are oil burners.

No, the oil companies are not conspiring, they are no more a monopoly than your cell phone provider, the electricity providers, the natural gas providers, the medical providers, etc.

Prices fluctuate according to a free market system. You know, the system that allow us to have the largest national economy in the world.
Make sense? Nuff said? Next urban legend please.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Sorry Rev. Hall:
I do not buy in to your theory. Have you not tuned in to any major news outlet this year? Have you not heard the oil companies are soaring high with record profits in the billions. In my opinion all it was, the European countries have been paying these high prices for quite some time. They saw the opening within our weak oil company loving white house to lay it on the American population. GW has done nothing to halt this as he is all about big business. Wake up Rev. it does not trickle down unless it is a price increase. Inflation rising to near 20% over the next 2 yrs.. Sounds like life is going to be great for the trucking industry. I see foreclosures on more than the housing market in the near future.
Have a great day sir:
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I can't see a 20% inflation rate in the near future....Canada's economy is still chugging along at a good clip and that will help us out. Sidenote: Why is it the GM, Ford and DC almost broke new car sales records in January in Canada and it's so flat here????

PS... it's not all doom..Catapillar and New Holland are real busy filling Canadian and foriegn orders as the US buck lowers...this should boost export totals as these are high end and pricey pieces of machinery.
 
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Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
It very simple. When you import more than you export and you have shrinking industrial base. Shi* happens.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I heard that imports were down in January from dept of trade figures....BUT being after Christmas I would assume thats a natural occurance....
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Sorry Rev. Hall:
I do not buy in to your theory. Have you not tuned in to any major news outlet this year? Have you not heard the oil companies are soaring high with record profits in the billions. In my opinion all it was, the European countries have been paying these high prices for quite some time.

Yea I have and I have see a lot of mis-information by them. A lot of lies too.

Europe pays higher taxes than we do and the base price of fuel is the same as our or within a few cents. Their economy is based all on higher prices, their tax system is completely different and if you want their style of government and prices, then we will have more unemployed and more problems - in other words the comparison is wrong.

Let's look at the profits for a moment;
Exxon's profits are high, yes that is true but they also paid billions in taxes. BP and Shell also have had high profits, they also paid billions in taxes and they are also profiting from high price of oil. All three companies are also diverse in their product line, we don't only get gas, motor oil and diesel fuel from a barrel of oil but our use of plastics is growing and these three companies also product plastics and plastic ingredients.

All three companies also employ thousands of people here. They do so to in order to make products and sell them.

Then there is Citgo, they make a lot of money and they are owned by a country that is run by a dictator, by someone on the same line of Peron, and has nationalized companies. Shouldn't we be concern with a company who's owner supports terrorism before worrying about Exxon's profits.

You know you can't punish a company for something that really has nothing to do what they can do but is part of a market that several multi-national companies sell in.

They saw the opening within our weak oil company loving white house to lay it on the American population. GW has done nothing to halt this as he is all about big business. Wake up Rev. it does not trickle down unless it is a price increase.

Wow you got that email from Moveon too?

Inflation rising to near 20% over the next 2 yrs.. Sounds like life is going to be great for the trucking industry. I see foreclosures on more than the housing market in the near future.


You know you should be really complaining about;

The intervention of the government in trying to stop foreclosures - we need to let things happen. It is not my fault that someone down the street got an ARM mortgage with an increase in 2 years to 30%, they were told what happens in 2 years.

The lowering of the interest rate - eventually the Fed will start giving money away for you to borrow money. You should be jumping up and down about this issue because this weakens our money on the international stage and further spurs inflation.

Inflation will be more than 20% if we don't get a handle on things quickly, like debt, like social programs, like NASA, like the UN and so on.

In truth we need to replace the tax system, we need to get a lot of dead weight out of Washington and we need to get more people to be fiscally responsible on all spectrum of the social ladder.

Oh and by the way, on my way up 95 last night, I saw $3.80 a gallon price, so $4 should be here soon.

You got this right - wish others would think this way...

It very simple. When you import more than you export and you have shrinking industrial base. Shi* happens.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Sorry Greg:
I do not and have never received an email from move on. I do not visit their site. Like I have said in the past what you hear from me is my thinking and I assure you it is heart felt. I however am surprised that one of my rants hit home with you. LOL
Have a great day,
 
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