You are thinking with emotion, I don’t want to kill everything in sight, the idea that an area will be harmed beyond any reason is the point – it won’t be. There is no reason that we can not use the resources we have or explore for them. The same lunacy behind the mass deaths of Polar Bears because we are causing global warming is used with the Caribou and other animals in ANWR – it does not hold true.
((((If I did not speak with emotion I would be a one celled creature with no need for a brain. I speak as you speak with emotion. As all those that speak with passion about things that they care deeply about. I care about all things that are important. If that is emotion, then so be it. At least I am putting action behind the emotion. Everything that matters is spoken with true emotion.
"Thus every action must be due to one or other of seven causes: chance, nature, compulsion, habit, reasoning, anger, or appetite."))))
Point taken
No I can’t blame government; it is a complete stretch to blame the government for something that they didn’t do in the first place. I think you miss something here, it wasn’t the government who opened the mines, it was private companies at a time when the effects of things were not well known. Yes the people are being subjected to exposure to chemicals and pollutants because the company is not maintaining the mine or processing tailings of the mine which keeps things moving and pollutants down. When a mine stops operations, there are not further improvements, no drainage of water and materials and timbers and internal structures collapse, further exposing things to underground water tables and sewerage.
(((I beg your pardon. Actually the land belongs to the government in Picher. And I think natural forces like wind help spread pollutants. As well as streams. As well as birds. Do I need to spell this out for you?))))
Copper by the way is not a pollutant, lead is.
((((Copper is an essential trace nutrient to all high plants and animals. In animals, including humans, it is found primarily in the bloodstream, as a co-factor in various enzymes, and in copper-based pigments. However, in sufficient amounts, copper can be poisonous and even fatal to organisms.)))))
This is too funny, no I am not wrong. Here is why…
Speculation is caused by emotion; it is not caused by anything else. People are driven by greed; the same greed many think should not exists but drives every person on this earth.
This same greed also causes the US to move forward, greed of making more money and having more stuff. This in turn has caused people to over extend themselves to the point that many of them bought things that were beyond their means because of interest rates were low. Now we have foreclosures and propping up of another area of speculation – the stock market. In stead of allowing the housing market to adjust itself, our leadership has taken it upon themselves to FIX the problem by wrangling lower interest rates which weaken our dollar, which you are right raises the price of Oil. But see here is where you are missing the point, energy is a basic, like bread and without energy nothing runs. So taking a step back, the foundation needs fixing first, then tackle the problem of a lower dollar and so on because you can’t spur growth in the economy by foreign investment (the real vehicle for a strong dollar) unless you solve the energy problem first.
(((((Speculation, greed (supply and demand), etc. etc. I point out the obvious triggers to the problem. I don't have time to write a dessertation on the subject. Oh and not to forget the plastic manufacturing companies. Plastics are made from a by-product of OIL. And consumers of plastics, which would be all of us bottled water drinkers, etc. ...
"The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law)))))
Good for you!
Yes the EPA is necessary, but here is a couple things – I am not saying get rid of it, but fix it to work the way the rest of our government works with checks and balances within it’s own walls. It is the only department that does not look at impact to the economy and it was setup that way when we needed the congress out of the way – read your history.
From it’s inception to 1992, it did a good job but since then we have had problems with the change in the economy and the need to be a more mobile society. Clinton, more specifically ALGORE pushed for more power to the EPA and it has been a mess ever since. You know ALGORE, the guy who says we are at fault for global warming but jets around creating more pollution than entire towns do in a year?
((((Some people need to practice what they preach.))))
Actually the EPA are a big hindrance to real solutions but can be fixed. Another road block is that until the congress and the president decide to do something about the states, like California, I see real problems for this industry forming on the near horizon.
You are something else. Ok I concede there were innocent lives lost, the American POWs, the Chinese and Korean laborers, the 3200 Japanese Americans who could not leave but it don’t matter, it happened and there was a real reason for it. You may not want to admit to it but it happened and there is nothing you or I could do about it. If you feel so guilty, go learn Japanese and see what they have been saying about us for the last 30 years. They started the war in the early 30's invading China and killing thousand of innocent people and then attacked us, the Dutch and the UK. Who is the aggressor?
(((Thanks. Not questioning who was the aggressor.))))
Have you seriously thought about if Germany changed directions and developed the Bomb, what would have happened to London or New York? You do know that they had a plane that flew from Berlin to New York non-stop in 1938 (and rumored to have flown out of occupied territory over the harbor of NY in 1943), so they could have delivered the bomb with no problems.
Or better yet, what would the world be like if Stalin had gotten to build the bomb in 1944 instead of 5 years later? We would have seen bloodshed that would never have been imagined. Stalin would have wiped Germany, Poland, Finland, Austria and Japan off the face of the earth.
(((Like it or not, we are not the only one that has the right to kill. ))))
You shouldn’t d*mn the country for restraining itself in using it or preventing it to be used again.
(((Who is da*ning my country. I love my country.)))))
As for a Geiger counter across Japan, get real.
(((All of Japan was not bombed, o.k. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, try it there. Just in case you did not know. I wouldn't want to assume.))))
The effects of the blast have been so diminished that it is not a real issue unless people want to create a conspiracy. One of my college required reading books was about this very subject and I don’t remember the name of it but an equally informative book is “Effects of Atomic Radiation: A Half-Century of Studies from Hiroshima and Nagasaki” by William J Schull
(((((Bloomberg.com: Japan))))
Sorry about your Dad. I know what it is, I know something about it, and it was a subject we had to study in college.
(((Thanks.))))
It strikes me as you don’t want to blame the person who was the one who pushed the use of this chemical in Vietnam, that one person is still alive and is to blame for a lot but don’t blame the companies when he setup the system of plausible deniability for them. It was him and his people who covered the a**es of the companies, not the companies. My point is blame the people who are at fault for it, don’t make into an issue that the producers sold the government a bill of goods. Like other issues during that war, things were done to cut costs and that was because you didn’t have someone in the Department of Defense who understood the military but you had a d*mn accountant. Another reading assignment – go and learn about Kennedy’s staff and cabinet members and see who had stock in these companies.
((((O.K. Let me get this straight you want me to blame this one person, that you are failing to mention, for our government "choosing" to use this chemical in Vietnam? O.K. Then we need to blame the individual that created the A bomb. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? If I have a product that "could" be used as a weapon and you choose to use it as such then who is to blame? YOU not ME.))))
I don’t agree, people cheapen the sacrifices of others. The people who hold people in contempt for doing what they feel right cheapen these sacrifices. From the protesters who told the returning vets that they were baby killers, to the people today who are so wrapped up into the hate Bush at all costs campaigns, they all cheapen sacrifices.
(((I don't agree. Am I holding myself in contempt? Did I think I was doing what was RIGHT? What cheapens what you are saying is that you can sit back on your couch and enjoy those sacrifices without one bead of sweat. I tell you what why don't you switch places with one of those soldiers over there, and get some first-hand experience. Congress cheapens the sacrifices, and the President cheapens the sacrifices, especially ChickenHawks, when they can expend the lives of our soldiers over pure BS, then slap them on the backs after doing their duty with by the way we just shortened your life span. Read about the stresses of war. By the way, a true soldier never glorifies what he/she must do during war. My dad never spoke about Vietnam. He never praised it nor condemned it. ))))
I think that the benefits issue is a people issue too but agree with you that more has to be done. I don’t hear squat about it during an election, like do you know how your representatives voted on GI related bills? I do and I am very vocal about issues with my Senator who is doing little to help when he is a senior chair of one of the most important committees in congress.
(((I have written to my representatives and I have signed petitions. I am an activist.))))
"It is absurd to hold that a man ought to be ashamed of being unable to defend himself with his limbs but not of being unable to defend himself with speech and reason, when the use of reason is more distinctive of a human being than the use of his limbs."
"Liars when they speak the truth are not believed."
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
Aristotle