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You still didnt answer, How is voting eveyone out going to change things when you are voting for the same crowd, especialy on a national level? As long as special interests and companies give to a campaign, local funding or not, they expect something in return.

LOL, so tell me layout, how you really think your voting everyone out is going to change things?, your just voting in another person that is beholded to another group.

No one, would you vote for cargo vans to take a pay cut? hahahaha

You will be doing the same thing on a national level and even a local level cause money controls elections no matter who you vote for. Until you take out the money and make everyone equal on a financial level who is running for office, nothing will change. If you could win a spot in office...

Well, I guess to make everything equal you would have to have nothing but public finance of a campaign where everyone can only spend a set amount of money{ yes i can see the abuses of that} so that special interest dont control elections.

Well, I dont believe that. Ive read your arguements on that and dont think that is the way it will be. Anything gov does is always going to have 40 to 50 % or more disagree. But thats part of what makes this country.

Anyone you vote for on a national level is going to be beholded to someone, It cost so much money to run for office that anyone who gives to your campaign is going to come back asking for something.

Wondering what would happen if just no one voted, at all.

But that is what has happened in his country in the past to get us to where we are today as a country, Many died to make this a country. Would we want to change fighting the british?

Maybe spiraling down is what is needed to make a change Maybe what you are trying to stop is the soultion

Id like to believe voting them out really works, problem with human nature is, once we recieve that so called power, people change, even on the smallest levels. Give anyone the power and give them 6 months, watch them change. I know there are exceptions.

You mean like our death penalty, yea, that stops murders. And yes we have more crime, but we have a justice system and its better to let 10 criminals go then to ever send 1 innocent man to jail. Where as the countries listed dont really care.

Nope, never asked, already know they arent going to do anything. Somehow there is money being made off of this, kinda like the drug trade, to much money in it for the gov's.

Because no one can know all the facts about every issue that this country has, to many unknown facts and what happenes after the fact. I added to my other post, but will say again, Businesses that hire them should be shut down but that isnt enforced, makes me wonder why though.

I dont have the solution, If I knew that much I wouldnt be driving a cargo van, hahahaha. But i will add this, If we held the businesses responsible for hiring them it would go a long ways as most come here for work. I know we have laws for that but they arent enforced.

After looking at all the countries listed the first thing that came to mind was, Why would i want my country to model any program from what these countries do?

A man could make a living out of brokering out loads and not paying, hmmmm

lol, yea, it also says they have one of the highest credit ratings in the industry, NOT, SO TAKE THE REST WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

And now i must go to work, I have an ASE load to run, hahahahaha j/k.

You dont know if they are paying or not. Its not about getting over it, its about stayimg on them till they pay, thats business to. Yes people get behind on things, but that doesnt mean they go buy a new car when they cant pay for the one they got, so why keep brokering out loads you know...