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Thank you for your thorough answer.

And next year get your physical somewhere else!

Geez, you'd think that California would be an early adopter.

Do you look like someone who fits the profile of a sleep study victim i.e. a fat guy, thick neck, etc? In what state was this? At my last one, they did the routine with the tape measure around my neck, the questionnaire, BMI calculation, just said the sleep study wasn't yet a requirement, but...

With the new rule that one has to have their physical on file with their state DMV or equivalent, wasn't part of that that you would be able to get your physical anywhere? It may be that the company that does our physicals has such a sleep study policy. Another driver--substantially fatter than...

Hmmm...I got my last physical about 20 months ago. The doctor was saying it was going to be a rule by the time I renewed. I have to renew in May.

There's apparently a technical problem with my question of which I'm unaware, one that one could choose to not interpret in the way one knows is consistent with the question, and answering it that way results in a nonsensical answer, similar to Clinton's "There IS no inappropriate...

All right, let's have it. What minor point is the difference here?

What are the new standards that trigger the mandatory sleep study? I know there's the questionnaire, the 17" neck girth, & some BMI standard. What is it, and what are the other criteria?

They sure did last year.

I don't make any attempt to convince you. I don't care whether or not you're convinced. If you remain unconvinced, I'll probably gain 20 minutes of sleep over it. Had you and RLent been reasonable, this thread would have gone like this: · AMonger: Hey, check out this article about welfare...

Yeah, because obviously I should have known so many years ago that you & RLent would want me to provide examples on a message board that didn't yet exist, so I should have saved them, transferring the data to every new computer I've had since then...obviously. The difference between you and...

That's precisely what I'm doing. I stated that I don't trust your reply to my OP because your source that you used is unreliable. I don't seek to prove or disprove anything. I asked you to provide another source. You either do or you don't. Apparently Snopes meets your standards. Your standards...

Let's apply this the other way... Someone purporting to act as a journalist, if not an actual journalist, has a limited supply of credibility. They're hanging it out there with their shingle to back up their claims. Once they **** it away, it's hard to regain. Even after 10-15 years, the onus is...

Over 10 years ago? Over something read on the net? Riiiiight. I was thinking the same about you, wondering what your motivation is in defending Snopes's honor. I was thinking how much effort you're expending for it and why their honor is worth it. I'll just have to live with it, I guess.

I don't seem to be able to provide those examples because it was well over 10 years ago. I didn't bother saving them because I didn't believe anyone to the right of Michael Moore could deny the obvious bias in Snopes articles. I'm sure you would have done it different. The remainder of your...

Well, being that it's [I]self[/I)- evident, other evidence is kind of irrelevant. As far as the example above, it's plain they weren't conjured up to prop up the 0bama administration. I stopped following Snopes links because of their bias long before the nation had heard of him. I find it...

Ok. I get it. I was a little slow on the uptake. I should've caught on earlier that you have been screwing with me. Hope it's been entertaining.

Well, I suppose you could say I am biased against Snopes, but it's not a prejudice-based bias, because it's based on their history. I'm sorry you don't wish to see it.

The effort required to produce it--going through maybe 100 articles to find the occasional biased one--to persuade a couple of usually reasonable guys who have taken leave of their senses isn't worth it. Again, if you've read an occasional article of theirs, it's self-evident.