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>Phil, >I think that you bring up a lot of good and valid points and >I hope you can show us how this all works so some of us can >understand what you are looking for. > >You said “I offer real numbers from current experienceâ€. > If you are offering, I am asking what are those real...

>I do agree....I think this topic has come full circle again. With all due respect, I'd like to continue on. If the topic is too ponderous for some, there is no reason to keep reading it. Feel free to disengage. If nothing else, humor me. I believe a meaningful reefer payback formula can be...

>Not to be insulting to anyone but my accountant is laughing. No insult taken, but you might want to find another accountant (no insult intended). After further flushing out the topic, I will consult my accountant too. He will not laugh. >I too want to get into a bigger truck, maybe with a...

Paul56 said, >There is a relationship between energy and weight. The more >weight moved, the more energy consumed. With a reefer >equipped truck this affects ALL miles. You are correct, but I do not know how to account for this in a reefer payback formula. Our reefer weighs about 1,020 lbs...

Broompilot said, >The single biggest item I see being overlooked here is WHAT >IS YOUR LABOR WORTH? Expediters get out here buy a truck >and FORGET that your time is $, we are away from home for >weeks on end and yet many forget the value of time. One >cannot recoup a day EVER, once its...

>Why do you ask for MODELS? Real #s tell the truth Models >are maybee's or maybee nots. Dave never spoke of Models but >Facts from his past expierence. Dave offers real numbers from past experience. I offer real numbers from current experience. It is my sincere hope that readers find all...

>Some numbers are more clear than others. It is relatively >easy to determine the extra insurance cost a reefer adds to >a truck. It is less easy to determine what impact, if any, >the extra weight of a reefer will have on the truck's >overall operating expenses. > >Let's focus on the easy...

Here's some additonal numbers to toss into the mix. This is for one truck only (ours). We'd need to compare a number of trucks for this to be a reliable indicator. Nevertheless, the numbers do provide food for thought. We've now completed 40 runs in our new truck since June 15, 2006. Ten of...

Today, I tip my hat to the truck drivers who run dedicated runs cross country and back, week after week. It's an amazing thing they do. Diane and I ran out of hours this morning when we delivered in California. We used them up on two rus; one from CA to PA and another from PA to CA. While the...

>I've never had a reefer, never contemplated having a reefer, >and have no reefer purchase nor operating experience; my >beer fridge doesn't count. > >Having read the above posts, it seems to me that a missing >variable is that of the layover reefer truck either waiting >by choice or...

>I think that revenue is based on the business model of the >owner operator or a combination of the owner and driver. I think so too. Three models have been referenced so far. Given his customer arrangements and service package, Paul56 would not distinguish between reefer and dry freight...

Some numbers are more clear than others. It is relatively easy to determine the extra insurance cost a reefer adds to a truck. It is less easy to determine what impact, if any, the extra weight of a reefer will have on the truck's overall operating expenses. Let's focus on the easy numbers...

First of all, cowboyz, I apologize to you for the errant OPW comments I made earlier. I misjudged you. I'm sorry and embarrassed for having done so. About freight areas, note that a great freight area on Friday may be slow on Monday. The area that is hot on Tuesday morning may be dead until...

Let's not get too far from common sense in answering the original question, "How do you figure reefer payback?" For every variable offered that supports an arguement against reefers, another can be offered that supports the arguement for reefers. I'm seeking an agreed-upon formula that can be...

Whether or not the cost of an extended warranty is included would depend on whether or not the truck owner purchased it. If so, I would include it as part of the reefer cost.

>If you do not get X 1.5 a year gross on your additional >investment, calculating you have to recoup ones investment, >repair it, load it, insure it, clean it. Does any amount >less than 1.5 seem like a smart investment? > >If one is doing less than that I would say one is not making >a...

>We took same equipped trucks and compared. >What we found in our set of circumstances. > >WE took the initial investments, variable and fixed costs >and compared them. Through the first couple of years, the >reefer trucks outperformed the dry van. Once we went past >that period, it went...

>What reefer problems are you having Phil? It was a manufacturer's defect repaired under warranty. Twice, the reefer radiator cap came off because the brass tabs on the filler neck onto which the cap screws broke under the spring pressure of the cap. It was a very strange failure. A quick fix...

>Hello, the way we are getting paid we get 25 cents per mile >over what a normal load pays. That is for all miles, not >just reefer miles so we figure at the base extra cost of 16K >we figure on an avg of 100k paid miles per yr on avg so it >on a very basic level will pay for itself in less...

>>>As far as I'm concerned as long as we have a few long term >>>contracts with customers where a reefer is required, the >>>reefer pays for itself. I agree. In your own-authority situation, where your customers are hiring the whole package, it makes sense to consider the truck and reefer...