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Am still using Kleenex myself!

I totally agree... This is supposed to be a debate about the issue of freight rates and related CPM.... Not about you or I in specifics....

The American dream has nothing to do with rate per mile... It does however include freedom to choose that rate and how much you would run at that rate.... many . Many members here run for between .80 to $1.00 I would imagine as aggregate rate....so in a way yes.... You've chosen your rate and...

And whom sets the rates? Supply and demand? The marketplace? It sure ain't you and me.... And before you guys get all silly Iam not talking .50 - 70 cent rates neither ... and it appears you are thinking collective instead of independent business operators in competition with one another...

true.........

Another example : 2 stores side by side but straddling the border of states... 1 has higher state business taxes and a higher minimum wage so .... One either has to drop his prices to compete or move from area across state line! Or find a supplier with cheaper prices.

So to spite that broker, shipper whom ever you'd sit there for 3 more days incurring costs just so you can keep that .15 cents? another poke: a fleet of vans comes out and they get 50 mpg... You think they will really sit there and not be competitive? Ken all I am trying to point at is the...

that is exactly what we are discussing.....:) the pros and cons.... IM thinking not everyone can be lumped into the same pile.....everyone has their own as Xiggi pointed out.... CPM.....and to me that is the bargaining chip....IF someones has a really low CPM.....they can run at say .80 and...

and I seen the light just this year....slow learner too I guess......:) BTW: NTHEWIND..... Congrats on your declaration of freedom from carrier oppression.....:)

Thanks for pointing that out....it was my first draft and first coffee....LOL it was a great talk.....

all very good points.......:)

Try a Taxi owner operator where the city dictates the rate of pay....and you either live with it or move on.....again ones own freedom of choice....

so CV's are an easy 50% less cost to manage.....that would make a .75 a mile to .80 an appropriate figure?.....

Nope..you are correct.....everyone is entitled to have a change of mind...?? errr course correction...

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So straight trucks take about 50% or more to run then a CV and they get less then $2. a mile to run or they are running and doing ok at 2 bucks.....and we have some CV's think they should be making more then $1.00.....I don't get it....in proportion a CV, taking costs and everything being should...

I wish you the best of luck....:)

Here at one of my more lucrative Walmarts in Georgetown KY...keeping my head down..:p I have 2 boys/lads in Canada and a Lassie/gal.....:)

I am diversifying......branching out.....LOL

at a Lowes here in Danville Ky.......:)