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ugh..When I hear that, it is like nails on a chalkboard......

nope....just really have to think about it.....set of tires, fuel, tolls, services, oil changes and so forth....towing bills....the fact I was a driver/manager for about 18 of them for 8 yrs.... just the cost of a new pair of steer tires you could buy a used van and go expediting.....*L* If...

it is a bigger world....:p

can't read a mind that is blank pal......LMAO.....poke poke

wish Mike had of established a baseline of what level of cheap?...Like does he have a number to throw out?....

how about them straights running for buck and half...? same thing

There so literally thousands of people we don't see doing this....from the hotshot gang... to the trailer haulers...to the father in law with a pick up whos son is the plant manger hauling this stuff....we here are a drop in the ocean to the big picture

the guy at the top of the thread Gonzo.....gee whiz...

Me too.....:) no one has established the term "CHEAP" just what level are we talking?.....nearly better then 90% of the industry must be between .80 and $1.00 all your bigger carriers are .90 .95 is that cheap? dang you just earned another free lunch.....LOL

I dunno...but this Mike guy is great ain't he....great topic....as old as the dinosaurs but always a hot one...

and your point would be?.... I do what is best for OVM Transportation.... What right is....i use my low overhead as the competitive edge.....and make i sweet profit to boot... the next operator will do what is best for themselves...that is the way it works....this isn't a love fest and group...

well if someone like that comes long .. we either compete or get a different job....that is America.... no one is entitled to a living.....you have to earn it...

ohhhh.....I'd go with a flat rate per mile like A Blair does...whatever rate would make both parties happy...

as I sit in my tin can...... I ponder....Over 15 yrs in this business..

opps misread question....sorry : see below Ken aka OVM

My Ram van 1998 had the big M's on and they were crappy....this sprinter came with them also again crappy....I use a real semi aggressive tread for winter driving....no problems whatsoever....right up an unplowed ramp from a dead stop....The big M does get great mileage tho hard to beat them for...

look at the straight trucks rates.....$1.80? gee whiz.....straight cost more then double to operate then a van...so it would follow you'd get vans doing .80 lke their big cousins.....right? Also..over the years I've known 5 or 6 drivers for your outfit....what exactly is the level of...

Van "A" does $1.10 loads...his cost per mile is say .40 Van "B' does .90 loads.....his cost per mile is say .20 Both NET .70 If one profits and can pay themselves then I would say..it sucks right now to have a high CPM....

Wooster to Indiana!!! LOL

have to take a screwdriver with me to dig them outta the ice on the pavement.....LOL :p