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You are a heck of a nice guy John and I believe you believe in what you say but....all while PTL is in the middle of redoing contracts for a .05 rate reduction in the CV market....thats some support right there....is your staff taking a rate cut across the board, as well?.....

EPO also has 2 that I know large 3PL's....Bounce and CGL....and they own NLM...they don't really need to run thier own vans...they could easily cut them all lose....

the direction this industry is going I can see large carriers becoming more or less extinct..with 3pls, 4 pls and brokers taking over....there just isn't the margins of profits to support the O/O and a carrier too....

I am feelin the love I tell ya.....

hey ya got me and Crossroads on board....its not a waste of time....keep on educating buddy....:)

not a bad day for a hog slopper from Iowa....:)

and if the other 3-5 other large carriers complied....IMO that would just inspire even more O/O's to go rogue/on thier own and forsake the bigger carriers with expensive insurance?....

that won't happen till more like a whole bunch more say NO to these brokers...

gotta love these discussions...again...:pokepoke: John

sorry if I chuckle a little John...."really don't"? I'd say they just plain old don't have any period... its hard to believe a larger type carrier would expose themselves to that risk...

I.... like you, pay my share of gold to CIS as well.... I am just doing a bit of investigative work here....why 1 carrier thinks they are correct and then they state 3-5 of the top carriers are not complaint but have been in this business twice even 3 times longer then another one...

so what you are saying really..they are under insured?....So out of say the top 10 larger type carriers...30-40% are under insured?....and not even including smaller type carriers... doesn't DOT do audits on this issue?...or they just do HOS issues?....

well they appear to have insurance...but either not enough or wrong kind...according to a reliable source...who appears to be outnumbered by other respectable carriers....

I collect.."attaboys" myself....somewhere they must have a value....:p

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question would be respectfully....if 3, 4 or 5 other major players think they are correct and legal..don't you think you might be over stating the problem just a bit?....

so this is your teams definition of being insured?..... I was taught about being insurance poor....aka paying insurance on everything and paid so much I couldn't live after insurance payments....Just maybe its you and your team that is over stating the issue?...and being over insured...

couple years back I wanted to use the spare up a waste of a $200 tire and put a scruff under there thats when I found out they didn't make the size anymore...

well heck yeah... sounds like coney island talk.....:)

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