Who would make the best Commander In Chief ?

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I do not believe Obama to be racist just because he sat in a church under a preacher whose views are a little extreme, and I can almost guarantee that the white presidents we have had in office were just as racist as Rev. Wright if not more.

Call Obama racist if you want to but know that this country has a histroy of bigotry. We all live in a hypocritical state of mind. Yes, hypocrisy lives!!!!

I am not voting for any of them...

Do your research before you cast your ballot!

There is not one man/woman on this planet that is 100 percent good and if you find him/her then you found Jesus Christ. The problem with most people is that when we find a scab we choose to pick at it rather than let it heal.

Tell me this, if you belong to an organization that espouse bigotry and hate for 20 year but don’t remove yourself from it, what are you then?

You apparently agree with the person, otherwise you would not be there listening to him speak or part of the organization that he has created. It is kin to a white guy going to a klan meeting, if he believes in those twisted values, then he will continue to go, otherwise he will not.

The sad thing about this is that many are looking at Obama as an intelligent person, so where does the intelligence come into play here?

Not being able to think that his rhetoric is akin to other forms of hate speech?

Telling the church members that the US government created AIDS to kill a race or that our flag is the same as the flag of the terrorist is a form of hate speech.

Here is a bit of news for you, read

Black theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I believe that people are fooled into thinking that just because it is a Christian church that it is about all good and Jesus loves you stuff.

The only way anything is going to heal is to let us have honest conversations and to understand that this country is not a bigoted bunch of people right from the start. It has since the modern civil rights movement been ahead of other countries, look at France and Germany. We have been the land of opportunity and many immigrants who have come here has proven that fact. The problem is that we have people in the very communities who want to have equality based on what they deem as fair and equal but it can’t happen that way. It has to be for all, not a select few.
 

Jack_Berry

Moderator Emeritus
Hate to break this to you Jack but Mr. Heston died a couple of weeks ago.

Charlton Heston
like i said his health is bad.:)


just my .02 on who to elect.........i prefer ron paul, who gets no credit in this thread, but am guessing mccain will win since he is the candidate of one party and it is easier for this a.d.d nation to focus on him rather than the celeb bashing of the 2 dems. it doesn't matter who is potus i urge everyone to please elect a new congress. congress makes the laws. also get after the congress to stop the partisan bickering and start working together or they won't have a job.
 
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macmov

Seasoned Expediter
I appriciate the support of you guys. I tend to go overboard with what I believe in. I am now back on the road and have little time to monitor boards. I feel much more comfortable about voicing my opinion here, so beware you may here more from me in the future. I will leave you with this. McBush is a self admitted war criminal. Yes this is true! look it up and you will find he has admitted it!
We spent 8 years with a "Good Old Boy" President that was like "one of the Guys"
Ask your self this, If you were to have major surgery, would you want a good old boy Doctor that you feel you could sit down and have a beer with afterwards and he can give you play-by-play rounds, or would you prefer a Doctor that excelled top of his class that by far stood out in front of all the rest?
The reason I bring this up, McBush is a clone of Bush, I keep telling you this.

AN officer? Well yes, a Lieutenant (lowest ranking officer)

I respect his sacrifice, but he brings it up again and again as if it was this century, it was 40 years ago.
He still refers to Vietnamese as gooks!! Our Foreign affairs are bad enough (thank you George), especially with China at our door step, we don't need a President like this.

Oh, and there's Bomb,Bomb,Bomb Bomb,Bomb, Iran


McCain Graduated third from the bottom of his class.


Now do we really want a hot temper, trigger happy, bottom grade, mediocre President or do we want an intelligent top of his class motivated President that encourages change?
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Unfortunately we don't always get what we want.

Fact is there are ...TWO names on the ballot. And you must chose one or spoil your ballot and waste your vote or worse yet not vote at all and lose your whining rights for 4 years!
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I appriciate the support of you guys. I tend to go overboard with what I believe in. I am now back on the road and have little time to monitor boards. I feel much more comfortable about voicing my opinion here, so beware you may here more from me in the future. I will leave you with this. McBush is a self admitted war criminal. Yes this is true! look it up and you will find he has admitted it!
We spent 8 years with a "Good Old Boy" President that was like "one of the Guys"
Ask your self this, If you were to have major surgery, would you want a good old boy Doctor that you feel you could sit down and have a beer with afterwards and he can give you play-by-play rounds, or would you prefer a Doctor that excelled top of his class that by far stood out in front of all the rest?
The reason I bring this up, McBush is a clone of Bush, I keep telling you this.

AN officer? Well yes, a Lieutenant (lowest ranking officer)

I respect his sacrifice, but he brings it up again and again as if it was this century, it was 40 years ago.
He still refers to Vietnamese as gooks!! Our Foreign affairs are bad enough (thank you George), especially with China at our door step, we don't need a President like this.

Oh, and there's Bomb,Bomb,Bomb Bomb,Bomb, Iran


McCain Graduated third from the bottom of his class.


Now do we really want a hot temper, trigger happy, bottom grade, mediocre President or do we want an intelligent top of his class motivated President that encourages change?

But see I agree with you on Mccain will not be a good president but.....

I look at Obama and see a socialist, a person who thinks like a socialist and has the packaging to hide a lot of his true feelings. I think it is not anything to do with his background with Islam that will bring us down but the ties to a terrorist, his inability to judge what is not a good thing to be involved with and his hiding behind the race issue instead of confronting it. In his case his wife detracts from the campaign because she acts just like the elitist that many claim Bush and his buds act like. Her "we struggled raising two kids and having student loans" BS is over the top, they are Harvard educated lawyers he has been a state senator before the kids were born, it takes money to campaign even for that position in that city.

Hillary on the other hand, well we know about her. She is the same person that she was as Co-president. She wants that job and I don't blame her, it is time we have her as president and show the people what Mussolini did when he got into office. I watched her on O'rielly, the first time I watched that program in four years and I got to hand it to her, she let her guard down on a couple issues, it was a decent interview but she is Fascist, no doubt about that - just listen to what she was saying about her health care program.

The repbulicans can get someone off the street and run, most likely will win too with these two dems. The problem is the Repubs have to get it together and they can't, I think they are copying the dems in everything and forget what they stood for in the past. Too bad because they really had a good base there in 2000.
 

ratwell71

Veteran Expediter
like i said his health is bad.:)


just my .02 on who to elect.........i prefer ron paul, who gets no credit in this thread, but am guessing mccain will win since he is the candidate of one party and it is easier for this a.d.d nation to focus on him rather than the celeb bashing of the 2 dems. it doesn't matter who is potus i urge everyone to please elect a new congress. congress makes the laws. also get after the congress to stop the partisan bickering and start working together or they won't have a job.

I am with you Jack! You said it, "fire them all". Pay them for their accomplishments and if they do not have any, too bad.
 

ratwell71

Veteran Expediter
Greg,

Guilt by association? No matter how you look at it Rev. Wright has a right to feel the way he feels about whites. Whether it is right or wrong. We all do.

He, Rev. Wright, feels he was wronged by the whites and is holding onto some really old baggage. If he practices what he preaches then this will be his path to self destruction. He has created a church of followers that, like him, feel they were wronged. These people will never prosper because of the hatred they harbor. So who cares if Obama is or isn't racist? I don't believe that he is because remember that he is not the only one sitting on the pew. His wife sits along side him and just maybe she is racist. Who knows? I just find it hard for a black man that has white in him to hate whites. If so, who cares. He does not have my vote anyway because I do not believe he is running for the right reasons.

All these candidates have one thing in common. They all want power! Not to mention they are all childish too. This bickering amongst them is making me sick. Another way to sway the sheep... Actually it should show the populous just how diplomatic they are, NOT!

Socialism lives within the very heart of our Congress. How do you explain the Welfare system? Yes it was meant for those that needed it, but for those that are dead beats it is a dream come true. I say get rid of it. If you don't work, you don't eat. Period... Unemployment is there for those that put into it. The same with Social Security, but the problem with Welfare is that this system allows for those that never worked to collect. HMMMM. It is a socialistic program.

“Some paradox of our natures leads us, when once we have made our fellow men the objects of our enlightened interest, to go on to make them the object of our pity, then of our wisdom, ultimately of our coercion. It is to prevent this corruption, the most ironic and tragic that man knows, that we stand in need of the moral realism which is the product of the moral imagination”.
Lionel Trilling
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Greg,

Guilt by association? No matter how you look at it Rev. Wright has a right to feel the way he feels about whites. Whether it is right or wrong. We all do.

Well ok, if he has the right to feel that about Whites, where is my right to feel that way about others? I don’t have the right to speak my mind and call people names or say certain things. Words may hurt feelings, they don’t physically hurt anyone but I can’t say things without being put in jail.

You have to separate the important things here. Rights are one thing, another is the character of the person who is seeking the highest office in the federal government from the others.

Ethics is very important, if you are going to lead a nation; you go to have some ethics – he has none as far as I am concern because he didn’t denounce Wright when he made his first speech and in doing so he counted on the stupidity of the people.

Obama has made a point that he is above all the rhetoric and in action but in truth he has not shown anything like that. Instead we see and hear what he has been standing up with, he has been a member of a church that for what’s it worth departs from what rev King and others wanted to see their race become. Wright speaks of separatism, of black nationalism and is the same as others who speak and act as if they didn’t make any gains in our society.

Obama has failed to stand up and say look at me, look at Thomas, look at Rice, look at Powell, we have made gains. I used those examples for a very specific reason; they are ignored by most as a real success of civil rights. Instead he points to others and walks along side of others who for the most part is actually keeping the race down.

He, Rev. Wright, feels he was wronged by the whites and is holding onto some really old baggage. If he practices what he preaches then this will be his path to self destruction. He has created a church of followers that, like him, feel they were wronged. These people will never prosper because of the hatred they harbor.

Sorry it doesn’t matter what the reasons are that he practices hate, hate is hate and that’s a fact. He has created a church of hate; he has hijacked a religion that I am starting to question can police themselves to eliminate hate within it’s own realm. It seems that many make poor excuses for the actions and words of others who use religion as a crux to gain person power.

Which brings me to my biggest complaint, which is not even with Obama or Wright, it is with main stream Christianity in this country and their failure of preventing the hijacking of their religion in other cases. Just like the West Boro Baptist Church, there should be an outrage over Wright but there is undue silence on the subject. I can only think at this point that Christianity in this country ignores things selectively and does not want to make efforts to actually change destructive thinking.

So who cares if Obama is or isn't racist? I don't believe that he is because remember that he is not the only one sitting on the pew. His wife sits along side him and just maybe she is racist. Who knows? I just find it hard for a black man that has white in him to hate whites. If so, who cares. He does not have my vote anyway because I do not believe he is running for the right reasons.

I do! The nation better or we are in deed on a path of destruction. Maybe it does not matter to you, but we fought for 100 years to remove something out of the society and we are returning back to the time of hatred and discrimination.

He may not be the only one but I don’t see anyone else from the church running for president.

All these candidates have one thing in common. They all want power! Not to mention they are all childish too. This bickering amongst them is making me sick. Another way to sway the sheep... Actually it should show the populous just how diplomatic they are, NOT!

Well first thing is, you have to get clear that the primaries are not the election and our system should not have them. The problems of the primaries on the national level are that it wears people down and the result is voter apathy. The democratic party is melting down and people can take a serious lesson by watching what actually is going on – the party will choose the candidate, no one else. They will make it look like the people did but that is really stupid when you think about it.

Socialism lives within the very heart of our Congress. How do you explain the Welfare system? Yes it was meant for those that needed it, but for those that are dead beats it is a dream come true. I say get rid of it. If you don't work, you don't eat. Period... Unemployment is there for those that put into it. The same with Social Security, but the problem with Welfare is that this system allows for those that never worked to collect. HMMMM. It is a socialistic program.

Yes I agree with socialist congressmen but the point is that the tone of the country is set by the guy at the top in the executive branch now, not the congress. People forgot how the system works and what they can do to straighten it out.

Here is one problem; there was a better system in place when welfare was created. The government in it’s need to control more decided to wipe out poverty, which it really did by the way but it didn’t end like it should have. I blame not the government but a certain group of people for this.
 

ratwell71

Veteran Expediter
Greg,

You do have the right to say whatever you want. It is your choice whether you want to be as vocal as Rev. Wright. You too can be viewed as a biggot.

Thank God he is coming out and speaking his views. If you listen carefully you will hear his reasons for doing so. He is trying to get the black populous vote to swing Obama's way. Even the black gay community which are for Hillary.

I would rather have heard him speak than to blindly go cast my ballot for Obama. My belief now is that Obama is being pushed by another group to become president. You know that person that organized the Million Man March, Farrakhan?

He would have had my vote if Ron Paul dropped out, but not anymore. Thank God for those that speak their mind. It allows you to get to know someone's true intentions. Anyone that knows me will tell you that they know where I stand on almost any subject, however, there is a danger in telling too much. Get my drift?

I love people that step in it. I am a great listener. I just don't hear what you say, I listen.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Greg,

You do have the right to say whatever you want. It is your choice whether you want to be as vocal as Rev. Wright. You too can be viewed as a biggot.

Thank God he is coming out and speaking his views. If you listen carefully you will hear his reasons for doing so. He is trying to get the black populous vote to swing Obama's way. Even the black gay community which are for Hillary.

I don’t agree with that, the use of ethnic intimidation laws in some cases are a stretch. Even today, just the symbol of things is construed as hate, the noose which up until the last 5 years was not any symbol of hate.

I also don’t agree with his purpose to come out now. He knows that he is hurting Obama and this seems to be too calculated on his part, he is not stupid. It is his 15 minutes of fame. Remember Al Sharpton and how he got started.

I would rather have heard him speak than to blindly go cast my ballot for Obama. My belief now is that Obama is being pushed by another group to become president. You know that person that organized the Million Man March, Farrakhan?

Now you are going in the direction I went.

First off Obama is being pushed by the DNC first and foremost. The DNC is controlled by the left money sources, but Farrakhan is not the one pushing him, he does not have that much power in the DNC.

However it seems some in the DNC consider Farrakhan a hero, like Che.

BUT the problem is that Farrakhan and Wright and others are all together under the banner of Black Nationalism or even considered by some to be Black supremacy under the banner of civil rights. I think this is where my point lies in the racism comments, these people support something that has been around for a long time but we have a newly rising star who claims that he didn’t know about it. No doubt that Farrakhan is racist, he is clear on that but when Wright and others join in, there is no way to see any divisible ideology between the two, in other words Islam or Christianity there is no difference between the two at this point in this context. I think if you look at it from the point of view that there are other factors involved, there are two clear paths in the civil rights movement, one of Rev King and the other of Farrakhan, Wright and others who took garveyism and twisted it around. Either of these two are not compatible with each other and actually work against one another. Now if you would say Rev King and Malcom X were alive, we may not have the deep division as we do. By the way, I think Malcom X seen what others, like Rev King, were talking about before he was killed.

He would have had my vote if Ron Paul dropped out, but not anymore. Thank God for those that speak their mind. It allows you to get to know someone's true intentions. Anyone that knows me will tell you that they know where I stand on almost any subject, however, there is a danger in telling too much. Get my drift?

Actually I don’t want to see Ron Paul to drop out, he needs to stick it out for a number of reasons. I would not have voted for Obama, I want to see Hillary be the candidate for a lot of reasons.
 

ratwell71

Veteran Expediter
I don’t agree with that, the use of ethnic intimidation laws in some cases are a stretch. Even today, just the symbol of things is construed as hate, the noose which up until the last 5 years was not any symbol of hate.

Well, I wouldn't raise a rebel flag! At least he hasn't called any of us honkies, crackers, etc. I will accept whitey as being factual. LOL.

I find him comical but I am white. For those that are black it just instills more hatred.

I also don’t agree with his purpose to come out now. He knows that he is hurting Obama and this seems to be too calculated on his part, he is not stupid. It is his 15 minutes of fame. Remember Al Sharpton and how he got started.

It sure raises alot of questions, doesn't it? Al who? Just kidding. Another trouble maker, but he has a right to say what he wants. Like it or not, it is their Constitutional right.

Now you are going in the direction I went.

First off Obama is being pushed by the DNC first and foremost. The DNC is controlled by the left money sources, but Farrakhan is not the one pushing him, he does not have that much power in the DNC.

However it seems some in the DNC consider Farrakhan a hero, like Che.

BUT the problem is that Farrakhan and Wright and others are all together under the banner of Black Nationalism or even considered by some to be Black supremacy under the banner of civil rights. I think this is where my point lies in the racism comments, these people support something that has been around for a long time but we have a newly rising star who claims that he didn’t know about it. No doubt that Farrakhan is racist, he is clear on that but when Wright and others join in, there is no way to see any divisible ideology between the two, in other words Islam or Christianity there is no difference between the two at this point in this context. I think if you look at it from the point of view that there are other factors involved, there are two clear paths in the civil rights movement, one of Rev King and the other of Farrakhan, Wright and others who took garveyism and twisted it around. Either of these two are not compatible with each other and actually work against one another. Now if you would say Rev King and Malcom X were alive, we may not have the deep division as we do. By the way, I think Malcom X seen what others, like Rev King, were talking about before he was killed.

I agree. Totally.

Actually I don’t want to see Ron Paul to drop out, he needs to stick it out for a number of reasons. I would not have voted for Obama, I want to see Hillary be the candidate for a lot of reasons.

Oh, I don't want Ron Paul to drop out. He is still in the game. As far as voting for the other three, I will vote for none of the above.
 
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