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Yowpuggy

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Headline: Trump Kicks Crying Baby out of Rally.

Except he didn't kick the baby out at all.

baby was crying and interrupted him, but he didn't mind. Said he loves babies. Then quite a while later, when the baby was heard again, he jokingly said, I was kidding before, you can get that baby out of here. But he didn't kick the baby out and the baby wasn't taken out of the rally. :rolleyes:
He wasn't joking, he's stupid like that.
 

Turtle

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He wasn't joking, he's stupid like that.
If you watch the video it's incredibly obvious that he was, in fact, joking. It was playful banter and he was laughing and joking around when he said it. He told the mother several times to please don't worry about it, it's not an issue. More importantly, the baby didn't get kicked out of the rally. But the mainstream press reports it otherwise.
 

Turtle

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But if he loses I'll have to listen to everyone from the media to space aliens get blamed for it.
Trump certainly isn't his best own ally in his campaign, but make no mistake about it, there is a very real effort on the part of the mainstream media, which is already liberal from the get-go, to show a stark bias against Trump and in favor of Hillary. For example, there are plenty of Democrats, prominent ones, who have come out and said they won't vote for her, but we never hear much about those, and we certainly aren't presented by a laundry list of those names. But not a day goes by when we don't see the list of Republicans who have said they won't vote for Trump.

How the media presents the candidates will mold public opinion, and they know it. Journalists today present themselves as opinion-makers. It's their job to mold opinions. Most people know that Trump viciously attacked and disparaged, with full-on evilness, Mr and Mrs Kahn, but very few can tell you what Trump actually said, without inserting the characterizations (opinions) of the comments impressed upon them by the media. For example....

Here's a story today from CBS News, a real, actual mainstream media stalwart
Donald Trump goes on the offensive against everyone

The first paragraph states:
Donald Trump's day in a nutshell: At a rally in Virginia, Trump accepted the gift of a Purple Heart, an honor given to service members who are killed or wounded, from a retired veteran and said, "I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier." At the same speech, Trump ordered that a crying baby be escorted out of the room - and it was unclear whether he was kidding.

OK, lets take a look at that. The first part, about someone giving him a Purple Heart, they have a link to the original story, which they know less than 7% will click and go read, and only half of those will watch the video of what was actually said. The two very out-of-context sentences they quote Trump leave the impression that Trump's a real asshat. Those where the last two sentences Trump said, but they completely leave off the lengthy paragraph where he gave the full story on how and why it was given to him, and his was clearly touched by the gesture. The story should be about who gave it to him and why, but that would make Trump look good instead of an asshat. Wrong narrative. Trump went on about how is was such an honor to receive the medal, and even had the retired Lt Colonel come up on stage. Do they report that? Of course not. Wrong narrative. And in the original linked story, no one had any problem with Trump's comments on receiving the Purple Heart, but the "journalist" who wrote the piece made it quite clear that someone certainly should, dammnit.

The second part, where Trump "ordered" {pejorative buzzword} a crying baby out of the room, and then the CYA of "and it was unclear whether he was kidding." Well, it was quite clear to everyone other than the Pinball Wizard who is deaf, dumb and blind. They again give the link to the original story, which they know few will go and read, and even at the original story they misquote Trump by not giving the correct inflections in what he was saying, because they know that a bare quote doesn't read like he's kidding. And the video at that link? It's a 64 minute video that they know no one will sit through.

The third paragraph states...
Then, Trump left the rally to have lunch with a Washington Post reporter, where he informed the reporter that he wasn't endorsing House Speaker Paul Ryan in his primary campaign ("I'm not quite there yet," he explained) or Sen. John McCain in his. Both Ryan and McCain have endorsed Trump for president.
The use of "informed" implies an unsolicited statement, but Trump was responding to the question, "Have you endorsed Paul Ryan or John McCain in their primaries?" His response was, same as Ryan's when Ryan was asked about Trump, "I'm not there, yet." Pure payback for Ryan. But "I'm not there, yet," doesn't mean he won't get there eventually, same as Ryan and McCain did (after the primary was settled, which isn't yet the case for Ryan or McCain). But that comment is presented as "Trump Refuses to Endorse Ryan, McCain," and "Trump won't endorse..." That's disingenuous journalism at it's finest. But it promotes the narrative.

The CBS News piece of full of misrepresentations and straight-up snipes ("Then came dinner - this time, presumably, without a reporter or a crying baby in the room.").

My favorite still, and it's hard to find a story about Trump where it's not mentioned is, "Trump had previously set off a fresh round of outrage when he suggested that she was silent because her Muslim faith didn't allow her to speak." Which isn't even a little bit true. He didn't suggest anything of the sort. He didn't mention faith in any way, shape or form. But that's what people read into it, because that's what they wanted it to mean. And they still do .But the context of his comments where about whether or not Mr Kahn or the Clinton campaign wrote his speech. Him saying "she just stood there, was she allowed to speak?" the "allowed" word which everyone did a knee-jerk to could refer to her faith, her husband, or the even Clinton campaign. No one ever asked Trump what me meant, they merely inferred what worked best for them and jumped to a conclusion. Why bother gathering the facts when you can make up your own?

The media is pathetic these days, have been for years, and if you let them mold your mind, they certainly will. That's their job.
 

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Is Fox News main stream media?
Not really, no. By definition mainstream media is mass media that influences a large number of people and both reflects and shapes prevailing currents of thought through original fact-based reporting, without interjecting opinion or dissenting thought.

Fox breaks the journalistic taboo against mixing editorial comment and factual reporting, which puts it outside the mainstream and into the alternative media category. Fox News is blatantly politically partisan and opinionated and doesn't really try to be impartial.

Journalism is by its nature a liberal thing, so a liberal bias naturally permeates the mainstream media. But a liberal (or even a conservative) bias is not the same as a conscious intent to present a partisan side to political issues (see MSNBC, Fox News, etc.)

Although, the mainstream media is today more and more taking sides on many issues and intermixing factual reporting and opinion. So the distinction between mainstream and alternative media is becoming blurred with the only definitions that can separate them are size and original reporting.
 

Turtle

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Check out the Yahoo News/ Politics page. It is filled with stories about the evil Trump and glowing pieces about Hillary Clinton's historic Presidential campaign. An obvious agenda displayed there.
Politics | Yahoo News - Latest News & Headlines
The Yahoo News editorial staff doesn't even pretend to be impartial. They're no different than Huffington Post in them being blatantly partisan. The only difference is Huffington uses freelance writers to write opinion pieces based on news service articles and passed off as reporting, while Yahoo mostly just selectively presents news service articles that tell the stories the editors want to tell.

Yahoo News is not mainstream media. The parotting of newswire articles is the dead giveaway.
 

Windsor

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Ok I give up. Trump is right, America is a horrible place and "only he can fix it" so I'm voting for him. Give me a frickin break folks. I'm going to sleep, everyone be safe if your driving tonight.
 

Windsor

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"The media" is talking a lot about conservatives who don't support trump because its a frickin lot of them and half the ones saying they support him we know dam well they don't they just don't want to lose this election. My point is that trump and his crack campaign team won't take any responsibly for losing if they do. C'mon trump is already crying that the election is fixed instead of realising its mostly just the (Daily) dumb crap he says. He can see the writing on the wall. I'm not looking forward to hearing all the crying. The wheels are falling off his campaign and he better get them back on fast or it's going to be a landslide victory for Hillary. I seriously can't imagine listening to that used car salesman for the next four years. Lmao c'mon you guys know dam well if you didn't know who he was you would never buy a car from that guy.
 

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My point is that trump and his crack campaign team won't take any responsibly for losing if they do.
We're in uncharted territory with this election cycle, what with Hillary getting a pass on nearly everything (including lying to Mike Wallace even after he played her videos of her lying, and the media just shrugs its shoulders and goes, "Well, she was just cherry picking, she wasn't really lying about lying... Now back to Trump.") and Trump having the most negatively inferred meaning possible attached to everything he says, it's entirely possible that the Trump campaign won't take much responsibility for losing. It's not so much as what Trump says as it is the media-created perception of what he says. Just the same, he needs to be more measured in his words so they cannot be molded against him.

Trump is doing what he's done all his life and he's been successful doing it, be it business, television, and most recently the Republican primary. The problem is, a national presidential election is none of those things, and he's going to have to adjust quicker. He's no longer dealing with people who want to do business with him or the 40% of Republicans who will vote Republican regardless, he's dealing with the 20% of independents he needs to convince.

He reminds me of the Minor League power pitcher who has spent his entire baseball career, from Little League, to high school, college and the minors getting by on one pitch, a fastball, and just throwing it by everybody. Coaches keep telling him that he needs to develop a curve and a change-up, but he refuses to because he's always been successful with just the fastball. Now he finds himself in the Major Leagues and he and his fastball are getting eaten alive by professional hitters who know how to hit.

The wheels are falling off his campaign and he better get them back on fast or it's going to be a landslide victory for Hillary.
That much is certain. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your political bent), he has plenty of time to find some lug nuts. The campaign doesn't really start until Labor Day, as the month of August has everyone distracted with the Olympics and back-to-school stuff. And the American public has short memories and basically does a full reset every 45-60 days during a presidential election cycle. The polling data on Labor Day will be the first real meaningful polls in this election, and it's how well the campaigns respond to what that says which will determine what happens in November.

Lmao c'mon you guys know dam well if you didn't know who he was you would never buy a car from that guy.
Oh, I dunno. We've got a death match battle of the used car salespersons. One we don't trust because we're just not sure about, and the other we don't trust because we are very much sure about.

The issues in this election are pretty simple, and both candidates need to focus on those. They are jobs and the economy, immigration and border security, foreign policy, and judicial appointments.

Hillary is campaigning on Obama's policies on all of those issues, which have been a disaster across the board. Trump is campaigning to turn all of those issues on their heads. That's what we need to hear about.
 
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We all lose....but
 

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skyraider

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The Demos and the Repubs are really short on being humble people, and huge on dishing out humiliation on each other. IMHO.... oh Lord its hard to be humble, when your perfect in every way....... changing my way of thinking about things recently....
 

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Here's the blatant media bias captured in one picture.

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Two articles,
Same liberal author,
Same topic,
Pure spin.

Steve Benen, a "journalist" for MSNBC, wrote columns regarding Pat Smith, mother of Benghazi victim and American hero Sean Smith, and Khizr Khan, father of American hero Humayun Khan.

Smith spoke at the Republican National Convention and blasted Democrat presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton.

Khan spoke at the Democratic National Convention and blasted Republican presidential candidate, Donald Trump.

He portrayed Smith as a grieving mother being used by Republicans to further their agenda, but portrayed Khan as a hero for his sacrifice and for giving his courage for giving his speech to the Democrats.
 
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