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non cdl truck?

Discussion in 'The Newbies Paradise Forum' started by Jack_Berry, May 21, 2007.

  1. Jack_Berry

    Jack_Berry Moderator Emeritus

    i thought trucks over 10k needed to log and thus were cdl trucks. i also know that you can get a truck from penske that is non cdl. in the classifieds here i find two trucks that are non-cdl. one is a box and the other has a sleeper and a box. when does a box truck become a cdl required vehicle?

    thanks







    Jack Berry
     
  2. jaminjim

    jaminjim Active Expediter

    When the GVW is 26001 lbs
     
  3. terryandrene

    terryandrene Active Expediter

    Jack: Here's the regs:

    The Federal standard requires States to issue a CDL to drivers according to the following license classifications:

    Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

    Class B -- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.

    Class C -- Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is placarded for hazardous materials.

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    Many of the expedite carriers put HAZMAT on trucks that are less than 10,001 GVWR; therefore, the driver must have a minimum class C CDL with an H or HAZMAT endorsement. When carrying HAZMAT the driver must log and comply with HOS. This applies also if truck is over 10,000#.

    Another non-CDL vehicle is one used for personal use and not for the transport of people or freight for hire. A Penske rental to move your household stuff would be non commercial, but if you leased a rental truck to a commercial carrier, the truck and the driver would be subject to the federal comm'l vehicle regs.
     
  4. greg334

    greg334 New Recruit

    So as per the regs, the hot shot idiot who passed me this morning flying down the freeway at 80 plus with 5 cars on his trailer needs a class A?
     
  5. Jack_Berry

    Jack_Berry Moderator Emeritus

    thanks terry.

    i brought this up at break with one of the other load planners. he said if it was a truck to do commercial frt hauling then a cdl would be required. these ads make it sound like no cdl is needed to move freight.



    Jack Berry
     
  6. fastrod

    fastrod New Recruit

    If the truck is 26,000 lbs. or under you do not need a cdl to haul freight. I ran a 25,500 lbs straight truck with air brakes for a company about 4 years ago. No cdl needed, just a medical certificate and a log book.
     
  7. terryandrene

    terryandrene Active Expediter

    Fastrod:

    As indicated above, No CDL needed UNLESS the truck is hauling placarded HAZMAT. Any driver of a truck under 26,000 hauling placarded HAZMAT must have a CDL with HAZMAT endorsement.
     
  8. beachbum20714

    beachbum20714 New Recruit

    YOU DO NOT NEED A LOG BOOK IF YOU DRIVE WITHIN A 150 AIR MILES OF WHERE YOU STARTED,AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A AIR BREAK ENDOR FOR ANY TRK UNDER 26,000.ACCORDING TO THE GOOD D.O.T. FOLKS HERE IN MARYLAND.
     
  9. Jack_Berry

    Jack_Berry Moderator Emeritus

    thanks folks


    Jack Berry
     
  10. Roadranger

    Roadranger New Recruit

    >YOU DO NOT NEED A LOG BOOK IF YOU DRIVE WITHIN A 150 AIR
    >MILES OF WHERE YOU STARTED,

    That may be true in certain states - but the DOT regulation is 100 air miles (115 "normal" miles) and not more than 12 hours from starting work at your "terminal" to going off duty at that same terminal. I drive mostly in New England and rarely log.
     
  11. Crazynuff

    Crazynuff New Recruit

    >So as per the regs, the hot shot idiot who passed me this
    >morning flying down the freeway at 80 plus with 5 cars on
    >his trailer needs a class A?
    I'd say a 5 car load definately requires a Class A . Some 3 car haulers try to run under 26,000 but they're pushing it .
     
  12. FIS53

    FIS53 New Recruit

    Up here in Ontario those car haulers with 3 car trailers are supposed to have a class A as the towed vehicle and the dually pickup is enough weight.

    Also of minor note you know those 5th wheel travel trailers? Well the guys with dually pickups and those real big 5th wheel trailers are also supposed to have class A. I met a DOT officer who was giving the holiday crowd notices to upgrade their licence or receive a ticket for not being properly lic'd (bet that was a shock to most).

    Rob Fis
     
  13. tbc27143

    tbc27143 New Recruit

    If they are towing their own personal fifth wheel trailer and not for commercial transport then a CDL is not required no matter how heavy it is. CDL is COMMERCIAL drivers license.

    If a private truck and trailer is stopping at the scales then they are nuts anyway. They need to read the signs.
     

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