New Jersey mandates snow-free vehicles

Scuba

Veteran Expediter
October 21, 2009
You gotta be kidding New Jersey mandates snow-free vehicles New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine has signed into law a bill to get tough with drivers who fail to clear snow and ice off their vehicles. The rule applies to commercial and non-commercial vehicles.

The Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association and countless truck drivers are angered about the bill’s passage into law, which permits police to pull over drivers whose vehicles were not cleared of snow and ice. The Association and professional drivers have long opposed what they say is legislation that sets truckers up to fail.

State law now prohibits car and truck drivers from being fined for driving a snow-capped vehicle. However, if a piece of ice falls from a vehicle and causes injury or property damage, car drivers face fines between $200 and $1,000, while truck drivers could be fined $500 to $1,500.

With the governor’s signature, drivers soon will be responsible for making “all reasonable efforts to remove accumulated ice or snow” from the hood, trunk and roof of the motor vehicle, truck cab, trailer or intermodal freight container.

Violators would face fines between $25 and $75. No points would be assessed against the driver’s license.

OOIDA says the rule will be nearly impossible to comply with. They also cite concerns about requiring people to climb atop large vehicles to remove snow or ice.

Joe Rajkovacz, OOIDA’s regulatory affairs specialist, said the mandate is virtually impossible to comply with.

“It amounts to feel-good legislation that is going to lead to the injury of drivers,” Rajkovacz told Land Line.

Drivers will not be liable for snow or ice that accumulates on a vehicle while out on the road if they are traveling to a location with snow and ice removal equipment or technology, provided they have not already passed such a location prior to being stopped.

The new rule also specifies that drivers won’t be responsible for snow or ice accumulated while the vehicle, trailer, or container was not in their possession.

“How is a cop going to tell the difference between something accumulating while it’s out in operation versus sitting?” questioned Rajkovacz. “I understand the roof will pile up if it’s sitting. But that doesn’t mean snow and ice can’t accumulate on the roof going down the road. The cop still gets to decide when the snow accumulated.”

In hopes of appeasing the trucking industry, the effective date was delayed one year. The grace period is intended to give truck operations time to comply with the rule. Revenue from fines will be routed into a special fund for uses that include establishing a grant program to provide incentives to encourage private companies to install snow and ice removal facilities around the state.

Supporters of the legislation say the changes will not only help protect personal property, but will also help save lives.

But truckers say the state is not showing any concern for them.

“It gets tiresome when they talk about highway safety, but they don’t give a **** about the truck driver,” Rajkovacz said.

Owner-operator and OOIDA Life Member David Sweetman had a similar response.

“Since when does anyone in any stage of our government – federal, state or local – really care about the welfare of truck drivers and my health? They would not require me to turn my truck off in 20-degree weather. This is just one more brick in the wall. They really don’t care about our welfare,” Sweetman, who has a New Jersey baseplate, told Land Line.

To view other legislative activities of interest for New Jersey in 2009, click here.

– By Keith Goble, state legislative editor

After reading this i can tell you one thing for sure my truck will never go to NJ ever again. These aholes must think every trailer out there is like the trailers on Walker Texas Ranger. You know ladders and a railing around the top of the trailers so you cant fall off. Theyh offer no way to remove snow without paying someone to do it for you. Business will offer this at truckstops and truck washes heck they would be stupid not to. So now they already beat you up with tolls now they are going to make it cost us more to bring them what they need. I say let them rot and i mean it let them starve to death. This law will end up killing more than a few drivers over the years because you and I know some arent going to pay and try to do it themselves and fall off and many will be injured from falls. So since they don't care about trucker safety in nj then the heck with them.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
strictly a revenue grab, nothing else.. so don't register your truck in the state, get your base plate at an address in another state...if enough did that and they had a big drop in registration revenue, you can bet that this stupid law would be gone....
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Tear that state out of the atlas. If enough freight doesn't get delivered... and I have no problem cutting anyone off.
 

Yesteryear

Expert Expediter
strictly a revenue grab, nothing else.. so don't register your truck in the state, get your base plate at an address in another state...if enough did that and they had a big drop in registration revenue, you can bet that this stupid law would be gone....

So then, are you saying this law only applies to vehicles registered in NJ or does it apply to trucks going to or through NJ as well?
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Just another cash grab state that goes into the seasonal atlas.

"If it is snowin, we ain't goin"
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
yesteryear wrote:

So then, are you saying this law only applies to vehicles registered in NJ or does it apply to trucks going to or through NJ as well?

No what i am saying is that if enough trucks that are registered in the satate of NJ pull their registrations and the state doesn't get to collect that registration TAX and FUEL tax associated with that base plate, they will be forced to take a look at the reason why and fix it......yes all trucks going into the state will have this enforced, but the truck owners in that state have the power to move their units to other states and take their taxes with them. The next thing that ALL trucks can do, is NOT buy fuel in the state...when that fuel tax revenue goes down, they also will see it and have to fix the issue...or do as Leo said, refuse freight going there....

But the fact is, nothing like any of the above will happen, everyone will whine and not do a thing and the lEO's will start and keep writing tickets.....
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I am pretty sure there was a law passed a few years ago that trucks must be registered where the carrier is based?
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
OVM wrote,

I am pretty sure there was a law passed a few years ago that trucks must be registered where the carrier is based?

You register the equipment where the company is located, and companies register in different states all the time, Delaware is a corp. haven for companies that are not within the state. I think Nevada is another. but even that doesn't hold a O/O to what you said, an O/O may drive for a company out of Ark, but his base plate is from his home state. and a truck that is held by a leasing company will register that truck in the leasing companies state, not where the state that the O/O is going to go to work at.... nope, you can register your company and equipment out of the state you work in and the equipment is then under that states tax base...
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
If you are under 26k gvw then not buying fuel in the state will have an effect on them. Over 26k and they'll get their cut from IFTA either way. Cutting them out of the atlas and squeezing them on the shelves works regardless of gvw. Yes, my virtual atlas is much thinner than my paper atlas. I don't literally deface my books but I will cut anyone/anywhere off if I feel the need.
 

steven3b

Seasoned Expediter
hey first time posting but i hear many times when ur the vehicle behind flying snow and its hitting ur winshield how many of u had to say something in ur cababout that idiot and it also kills people or cause accidents so im all for it anotherway to get exercise when u realy dont want to
 

Scuba

Veteran Expediter
Well Steven tell me how to get the snow off of my trailer? If the snow blowing off of my trl is blinding you simply back off its no diff from road spray when its raining heavy
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
Yh'a a cash register ...
have nothing to do with road safety , and will increase drivers on the job injury's .
there is no way for a trucker to be in compliance with the law .

if a driver is careless enough to tailgate into a snow storm , he can't blame no one but himself .

O'h yh'a , there is an exemption to this law , it dose not apply to the state Dot vehicles ...
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
hey first time posting but i hear many times when ur the vehicle behind flying snow and its hitting ur winshield how many of u had to say something in ur cababout that idiot and it also kills people or cause accidents so im all for it anotherway to get exercise when u realy dont want to


I can only find ONE reference to ONE person being killed in the U.S. last year by ice/snow coming off of the roof of a truck. The artical did not say but you can almost bet that they were tailgating. I also would be willing to bet that there are FAR more killed or injured by those who don't clean off the windshield and REAR window on their CARS!! Why don't the authorities inforce the laws about un-obsructed view from cars? NAW! Won't happen. This is ONLY about money.

Welcome to the forum, what kind of truck do you drive, who leased too etc? We LOVE newbies in here!! Be sure to post often!!
 

steven3b

Seasoned Expediter
there not talking about a snow storm to get a ticket there talking about the idiots who drive around days later where there not snow spray but part frozen snow or ice flying 20 ft in the air and hitting some whos not tail gateing boys think about it
 

steven3b

Seasoned Expediter
layout the law is for everybody flying snow from cars kills or causes accident if u dont know that keep driving in the south
 

steven3b

Seasoned Expediter
im not talking tailgating my other two post didnt makeit for some reason how about the two three days past a snow storm from cars and trucks with flying snow
 

Scuba

Veteran Expediter
Steven, maybe you don't know this but a trailer roof is max 13'6" not 20 and i have well over 3 million miles and i haven't ever been hit by ice falling off of a trailer yet. Maybe you drive to close to trailers. But Steven you still haven't told me how i am supposed to get up on the trailer to clean it off. It makes sence for cars and pickups to clean off they can do it from the ground safely.
 
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