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Jack_Berry
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gracie and i voted absentee last week eventho we are home. sure beats standing in line today. that took all of 15 min. anyway i am from chgo so i plan on going to the booth today since voting twice is a chicagoans birthright. then i can collect my bottle of cheap wine from the alderman.
I'm not totally sold on either one.
So I figured I will right myself in and straightem out
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drivingmecrazy
Seasoned Expediter
I'm sure most drivers have voted already, since your never quite sure when you can get home. I was thinking this morning while watching the today show, seeing both canidates going home to vote- I voted for Obama, but no matter who wins this election you can't help but feel for the canidate that loses this race. Two years of their lives spent on this campaigne, stress, fumbles, famlies attacked, being attacked yourself, debates, ect...
I do believe Obama will win this election, but I don't hate MCCain, I don't hate anyone..
I do believe Obama will win this election, but I don't hate MCCain, I don't hate anyone..
dhalltoyo
Veteran Expediter
Interesting perspective.
Whoever wins will recieve my respect due the office and my prayers too.
In 1 Timothy 2:1,2 we are instructed to pray for those in authority.
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
Whoever wins will recieve my respect due the office and my prayers too.
In 1 Timothy 2:1,2 we are instructed to pray for those in authority.
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
I voted on the first day of early voting. I've never missed voting yet other than skipping a special bond election only when I was away. My right to comment and criticize is too important to miss an election for any representative at any level. If you don't vote you really have no right to comment. I feel sorry for both of them. I will support my country and my Constitution and insofar as I can support the winner I will do so. I will not support the winner if they act in a manner unworthy and/or contradictory to their oath of office.
I voted but I would have to vote 5 or 6 times to have it count. I have and will support my country and Constitution. I WILL NEVER support Barrack Hussain Obama if he wins. He supports and is supported by enemies of my country. If you are the enemy of my country you are my enemy. Friends of my enemy are my enemy. My life is that simple. Layoutshooter
kangar0085
Seasoned Expediter
Yeah I also voted for Johnnie boy this morning but I don't think it'll help keep the commie out of the white house.
Layoutshooter, you should move to Ohio. According to the
Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner and aslo upheld in District Court. You could register and vote on the same day, no I.D. required. Simply give them a name and the park bench where you slept the previous night. Thanks to ACORN and a Democratic SOS, this process is now legal in OH. You could go to 10 or 20 precincts and give a different name and different park bench or homeless shelter address, Register and Vote
all at the same time.
Depending upon how badly the ACORN worker needed your signature for his/her daily quota, you may have even gotten a free meal, warm blanket, or some smokes in exchange for your votes.
Those of you who voted for Obama, You will get what you Deserve...
According to who? Not hardly. The Northeast Ohio Coalition for the Homeless filed suit against the State and against Brunner. After the court ruling, The Coalition agreed to drop a constitutional challenge to Ohio's voter identification law until after the Nov. 4 election. In return, Brunner and the coalition agreed on procedures to verify provisional ballots across all Ohio counties.
The same-day registration was for a one-week period during early voting, where one could register and vote on a provisional ballot. An earlier court ruling sided with Brunner to allow that to continue, since those provisional ballots would be segregated and not counted until election day.
As far as the park bench goes, the judge was merely affirming an Ohio law that was already on the books: Lawriter - ORC - 3503.02 Residence determination rules. (section (I) at the bottom), and is nearly identical to the laws in many, if not all, other states.
Nothing nefarious going on, nothing to see here, move along. There was, absolutely some voter fraud going on but this wasn't one of them. Everything was provisional and will be verified.
The same-day registration was for a one-week period during early voting, where one could register and vote on a provisional ballot. An earlier court ruling sided with Brunner to allow that to continue, since those provisional ballots would be segregated and not counted until election day.
As far as the park bench goes, the judge was merely affirming an Ohio law that was already on the books: Lawriter - ORC - 3503.02 Residence determination rules. (section (I) at the bottom), and is nearly identical to the laws in many, if not all, other states.
Nothing nefarious going on, nothing to see here, move along. There was, absolutely some voter fraud going on but this wasn't one of them. Everything was provisional and will be verified.
arrbsthw
Expert Expediter
And the ones of us that didn't vote for Obama I hope we don't get what we don't deserve too.. like the next terrorist attack.
I realize that, but how can you trust Sec. Brunner to "agree on procedures to verify provisional ballots across all Ohio counties", when she blatently refused to follow the ruling by the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals which required her office to verify those whose driver's license numbers or Social Security numbers don't match records in other government databases.
Nothing neferious??? Brunner's own office admitted that at least 200,000 newly registered voters have mismatched data, according to an initial review by Brunner's office. At current count Obama (2,673,958) and McCain (2,469,544) a difference of 204,414. Seems quite suspicious!!!
A) I never said I trusted her and B), she never refused to follow the court ruling, blatantly or otherwise. At issue was the proceedures to verify the eligibility.
Yes, it does seem suspicious. Why would so many people register to voting using a different Social Security number than their own? Very suspicious, indeed.
No, nothing nefarious with regard to the park bench ruling. Brunner wanted to take the time to verify the provisional ballots at a later time instead of that very day, which the law says is how it's to be done, but the lawsuit wanted to change all that, and once an agreement was reached on how the provisional ballots were to be validated, the judge made his ruling and the lawsuit was dropped. The meat of the ruling was that the mismatched data, if it was incorrect due to clerical errors (and not fraud), could not be used to disqualify a provisional ballot, which is something that quite likely would have happened because she and her staff are lazy, even though the reasons put forth for the disqualifications would be that she is a Democrat. The judge's ruling simply eliminated right up front (most of) the whining about unprovable voter fraud.
Scuba
Veteran Expediter
Well America lost in this election we elected a surrender crat and joe biden was right. Russia moved nukes close to the boarder to NATO countries. This guy want’s to cut our military while we are at war with that in mind I hope my son’s will now get out of the service. I am very proud of their service to my country I know how bad it can be. I served under carter there wasn’t a lot of pride in those days. I can only pray that in 4 years we can turn back the tide of socialism that we will get in the coming 4 years. The top 4 demoncrats don’t give a rats butt about soldiers or about what makes this country great. Those of us that work hard will now have to give up more of our hard earned money to the lazy. Only an idiot thinks you can spend a trillion $ on new crap by taxing just the top 5%. So for those of you that voted for the socialist enjoy the new taxes and I almost forgot say good by to your 401k yes its going away the democrats decided that 84billion a year in untaxed dollars is a bad thing so now that want to end that program so they can take our money in our 401k’s and put it in a government fund because they know how to manage it better. And since they now have both houses and the white house it will happen so don’t complain when you lose it. You voted for it
Re: I hope everyone votes
Bwa ha ha ha ha ha! That's what you get for your hubris. You should've come in here and asked everyone to vote for the candidate of their choice. But no, you had to pursue an agenda.
Great job you did of helping McCain win Ohio, by the way.
This thread started out classy and derailed pretty quickly. We ALL need to get behind President Barack Obama. Not to do so would make you as stupid (you heard me) as the liberals who've spent the last eight years of saying President Bush wasn't their President.
Guess what? You don't have that choice when you live in this country.
I am a conservative and have been since I was younger and Ronald Reagan ignited my imagination and got me interested in politics. Conservatism used to mean a smaller government, fiscal discipline, and an inclusive nature.
That has changed. The GOP is now exclusionary, theologically based, and has abandoned the tennets of conservatism by spending more and growing the government more than I ever dreamed the Democrats could.
I look forward to the next four years of President Obama (who is neither a communist, socialist, muslim, or anti-Christ). He has earned my respect by running a campaign that was high minded and harkens back to the days of Reagan, in essence if not in policy.
He is an eloquent speaker, and I hope he will take a centrist approach to governing. I know that if he and congress decide to pursue a heavily liberal agenda I will vote against him and those in power in 2 and 4 years.
But until then, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. McCain still has my respect and admiration, but the man that I admired disappeared during his campaign only to emerge once more when he gave his concession speech. I hope President Obama extends an offer to Senator McCain to advise him with foreign policy issues, because there are few in DC who understands them better than Johnny Mac.
As for Palin? I know she stoked some fires in the religious right. But the religious right does not equal the GOP as a whole. Her handling or nature uncovered some very ugly aspects of my party and I hope that the true conservatives break away from becoming ideologues. Otherwise we will be forced into the margins of American politics for a very long time.
Bwa ha ha ha ha ha! That's what you get for your hubris. You should've come in here and asked everyone to vote for the candidate of their choice. But no, you had to pursue an agenda.
Great job you did of helping McCain win Ohio, by the way.
This thread started out classy and derailed pretty quickly. We ALL need to get behind President Barack Obama. Not to do so would make you as stupid (you heard me) as the liberals who've spent the last eight years of saying President Bush wasn't their President.
Guess what? You don't have that choice when you live in this country.
I am a conservative and have been since I was younger and Ronald Reagan ignited my imagination and got me interested in politics. Conservatism used to mean a smaller government, fiscal discipline, and an inclusive nature.
That has changed. The GOP is now exclusionary, theologically based, and has abandoned the tennets of conservatism by spending more and growing the government more than I ever dreamed the Democrats could.
I look forward to the next four years of President Obama (who is neither a communist, socialist, muslim, or anti-Christ). He has earned my respect by running a campaign that was high minded and harkens back to the days of Reagan, in essence if not in policy.
He is an eloquent speaker, and I hope he will take a centrist approach to governing. I know that if he and congress decide to pursue a heavily liberal agenda I will vote against him and those in power in 2 and 4 years.
But until then, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. McCain still has my respect and admiration, but the man that I admired disappeared during his campaign only to emerge once more when he gave his concession speech. I hope President Obama extends an offer to Senator McCain to advise him with foreign policy issues, because there are few in DC who understands them better than Johnny Mac.
As for Palin? I know she stoked some fires in the religious right. But the religious right does not equal the GOP as a whole. Her handling or nature uncovered some very ugly aspects of my party and I hope that the true conservatives break away from becoming ideologues. Otherwise we will be forced into the margins of American politics for a very long time.
Re: I hope everyone votes
You credit Obama far more than his own record and words warrant. His record may not be as liberally biased as it could but that is only because he voted present well over 100 times rather than actually voting and showing his true colors. He is the quintessential snake oil salesman, able to use smooth talking and eloquence to mask the true product. Had the media been fair and balanced with Bush his approval number would be at least double. Had the media been unbiased in this campaign the outcome likely would have been different. The media will heap praises and positive spins on everything Obama does. Obama may not be a communist or the antichrist and he's not a devout radical muslim but socialism is very near to him if not a part of him. He is the most liberal of 100 senators. Even with discipline and handling he'll be liberal as a president. I hope and pray our nation and our Constitution do well during his 4 years. I do so with open eyes and no koolaid clouding my vision into thinking this is a good outcome. The only question is how bad will the outcome be.
You credit Obama far more than his own record and words warrant. His record may not be as liberally biased as it could but that is only because he voted present well over 100 times rather than actually voting and showing his true colors. He is the quintessential snake oil salesman, able to use smooth talking and eloquence to mask the true product. Had the media been fair and balanced with Bush his approval number would be at least double. Had the media been unbiased in this campaign the outcome likely would have been different. The media will heap praises and positive spins on everything Obama does. Obama may not be a communist or the antichrist and he's not a devout radical muslim but socialism is very near to him if not a part of him. He is the most liberal of 100 senators. Even with discipline and handling he'll be liberal as a president. I hope and pray our nation and our Constitution do well during his 4 years. I do so with open eyes and no koolaid clouding my vision into thinking this is a good outcome. The only question is how bad will the outcome be.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Re: I hope everyone votes
Conservatism USED to mean these things? I'm sorry, but an ideology doesn't change its spots. Conservatism still means the very same thing it always has. However, the Republican party HAS changed its spots, and drifted away from being conservative. Most of the stuff blamed on Bush over the last eight years was caused either by liberal Republicans, or Democrats. And the Republicans who did nothing to stop them are just as bad.
I'm glad you KNOW Obama's history, Roadpig. Maybe you can refresh our memory of his voting record, his associations with various anarchists, and his Marxist teachings. Tell us, please, how all of that is just heresay, or a conspiracy. Since you voted for the guy, being a conservative, as you claim, SURELY you did research to denounce all the claims of him being socialist. Because a TRUE conservative wouldn't vote for an accused Marxist just because the candidate himself told you he wasn't. As far as I'm concerned, Roadpig, you're as conservative as Osama bin Laden is a Catholic.
Conservatism USED to mean these things? I'm sorry, but an ideology doesn't change its spots. Conservatism still means the very same thing it always has. However, the Republican party HAS changed its spots, and drifted away from being conservative. Most of the stuff blamed on Bush over the last eight years was caused either by liberal Republicans, or Democrats. And the Republicans who did nothing to stop them are just as bad.
I'm glad you KNOW Obama's history, Roadpig. Maybe you can refresh our memory of his voting record, his associations with various anarchists, and his Marxist teachings. Tell us, please, how all of that is just heresay, or a conspiracy. Since you voted for the guy, being a conservative, as you claim, SURELY you did research to denounce all the claims of him being socialist. Because a TRUE conservative wouldn't vote for an accused Marxist just because the candidate himself told you he wasn't. As far as I'm concerned, Roadpig, you're as conservative as Osama bin Laden is a Catholic.
Who said I voted for Obama? Besides you? Yeah, you guys aren't drinking the Kool-aid, you're swimming in it. It isn't just liberal Republicans that got us into this mess, it was brought in accross the board. Massive spending and growth of the government is not what conservatism is about. I don't know what point you were trying to make?
Do I agree with President Obama's fiscal view? Not by a stretch. But he's far from a socialist (or a marxist, give me a break). Our country's left is the center right of the world stage. Maybe you should study Marxism, socialism, and communism before you start spouting off about it.
If you want the party to continue the politics of personal destruction, fine. Just be ready to be marginalized until we learn better.
Here's an article from the Wall Street Journal that might help you understand my position better:
Republicans Ponder Path to Renewal After Party Suffers a Harsh Setback - WSJ.com
Thanks for the personal attacks though. I guess that's what people do when they don't have knowlege to back themselves up.
You're a moderator?
Nice.....
Do I agree with President Obama's fiscal view? Not by a stretch. But he's far from a socialist (or a marxist, give me a break). Our country's left is the center right of the world stage. Maybe you should study Marxism, socialism, and communism before you start spouting off about it.
If you want the party to continue the politics of personal destruction, fine. Just be ready to be marginalized until we learn better.
Here's an article from the Wall Street Journal that might help you understand my position better:
Republicans Ponder Path to Renewal After Party Suffers a Harsh Setback - WSJ.com
Thanks for the personal attacks though. I guess that's what people do when they don't have knowlege to back themselves up.
You're a moderator?
Nice.....
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
I'm sorry, but you're the one who came off as the Obama 'let's get along' cheerleader. If I misunderstood you, I apologize.
If YOU understood the Marxist ideology, you wouldn't be saying "give me a break". I hear a lot of ppl calling in to talk shows and bash the host for calling Obama a Marxist, when they have no idea what Marxism is. I didn't read the Communist Manifesto, but I do know the 10 pillars of communism. "From each according to their ability. To each according to their need." is Marxist doctrine. Kinda sounds like "redistributing wealth" to me. I'm planning on reading Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, to gain better insight to what kind of man we're dealing with. What better way to understand a person than to read from the man who taught him? (not personally, as Alinsky died in 72)
I'm not interested in the rest of the world's stage. We are not them. They were not based on a Constitution giving the INDIVIDUAL freedom to make their own destiny. We are getting more in deep doodoo because the liberals want us to be more like Europe.
Politics of personal destruction? What are you talking about??? Democrats have been tearing apart Republicans, and even more so conservatism, for generations. It's not that they've used the truth either, calling us racist, war mongers, and unsympathetic to the needy. All we've said about the libs is the truth... a smaller, more efficient government is the key to the country's prosperity... something they are against. As Reagan said, "Government is not the solution to the problem; government IS the problem."
Study Marxism? I plan on reading more, yet I do understand its concepts. Study communism? I never claimed Obama to be a communist. The blood is not there for that. He's a socialist and a Marxist. One only has to understand simple economics and government entities to understand socialism. Maybe it is you who need to study conservatism, since you claim to be one. Personally, I don't see it yet.
As far as personal attacks... nice try. I'm challenging what you said; not calling you names. And just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I'm devoid of the privilege of speaking my mind, as long as it's within the rules.
If YOU understood the Marxist ideology, you wouldn't be saying "give me a break". I hear a lot of ppl calling in to talk shows and bash the host for calling Obama a Marxist, when they have no idea what Marxism is. I didn't read the Communist Manifesto, but I do know the 10 pillars of communism. "From each according to their ability. To each according to their need." is Marxist doctrine. Kinda sounds like "redistributing wealth" to me. I'm planning on reading Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, to gain better insight to what kind of man we're dealing with. What better way to understand a person than to read from the man who taught him? (not personally, as Alinsky died in 72)
I'm not interested in the rest of the world's stage. We are not them. They were not based on a Constitution giving the INDIVIDUAL freedom to make their own destiny. We are getting more in deep doodoo because the liberals want us to be more like Europe.
Politics of personal destruction? What are you talking about??? Democrats have been tearing apart Republicans, and even more so conservatism, for generations. It's not that they've used the truth either, calling us racist, war mongers, and unsympathetic to the needy. All we've said about the libs is the truth... a smaller, more efficient government is the key to the country's prosperity... something they are against. As Reagan said, "Government is not the solution to the problem; government IS the problem."
Study Marxism? I plan on reading more, yet I do understand its concepts. Study communism? I never claimed Obama to be a communist. The blood is not there for that. He's a socialist and a Marxist. One only has to understand simple economics and government entities to understand socialism. Maybe it is you who need to study conservatism, since you claim to be one. Personally, I don't see it yet.
As far as personal attacks... nice try. I'm challenging what you said; not calling you names. And just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I'm devoid of the privilege of speaking my mind, as long as it's within the rules.