Canada border crap

layoutshooter

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Who else has been asked by a Canadian border guy if you owned guns at your house in the U.S.? I have. Then the guy got up into my face and told me that "When he finds the guns I have hid in my truck he will put me in jail." I had none and did not go to jail. Where do these guys get off asking me what I own or don't own in my own home? I live in a different country. My own government has no right to ask me this.
We also had a dog "react" to drugs on our truck. (none of course) The Mounties( not customs, we had already cleared that hurdle) all but called my wife and I liars when we said we had no drugs on board. They held us up almost 45 minutes. They were not polite, nice or even professional. What's up? I thought Canada was a friendly country. Guess I was wrong. Layoutshooter.
 

unorthodoxneon

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I have a friend that is a customs agent and anytime guns comes up he flips off the handle and such. I know now that that windsor cop got killed they are really probably going to freak out and think everyone has guns. Other canadian people i know do kind of the same. Not sure if its cause they are not raised around guns they dont like it or what.
 

layoutshooter

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I don't know what the problem was. I was so taken aback by the question that I answered it. Next time I won't. NO forgien government or it's agent has the right to know what I do or don't own in my home.They can just kiss my grits. Layoutshooter
 

RobA

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>I don't know what the problem was. I was so taken aback by
>the question that I answered it. Next time I won't. NO
>forgien government or it's agent has the right to know what
>I do or don't own in my home.They can just kiss my grits.
>Layoutshooter

Umm...Layoutshooter....when you cross that bridge and enter Canada..YOU are the foreigner. You must answer any question and submit to any search of your vehicle and it's contents if Customs decides to search.
The Customs and the police are mandated to check for guns entering the country. Unfortunately many truckers choose to carry them and not declare them. Of course if you do bring a gun in and declare it will be confiscated.
You can also have your laptop searched as some truckers have been caught with kiddie porn on theirs.
If you don't like submitting to the CBSA; don't come to Canada.
 

LDB

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I think my reply would be pointing at my truck and saying this is my home and there are no illegal items of any sort in it.

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RobA

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>I think my reply would be pointing at my truck and saying
>this is my home and there are no illegal items of any sort
>in it.
>
>Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA 677319
>Owner, Panther trucks 4958, 5447
>Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
>EO Forum Moderator
>----------
>Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you
>like.


Leo: When you are at the border; whether it is your home or not; Customs still has the right to search a vehicle at the point of arrival. The search does NOT require a warrant and is done at the officer's descretion.
They do not have to put things back after the search either.
That, sir, is the law.
 

RichM

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There are two people you don't lie to. One is your Doctor the other one is a Customs Officer. Be polite,answer everything asked and you will probably have no problems.
 

greg334

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>>I think my reply would be pointing at my truck and saying
>>this is my home and there are no illegal items of any sort
>>in it.
>>
>>Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA 677319
>>Owner, Panther trucks 4958, 5447
>>Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
>>EO Forum Moderator
>>----------
>>Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you
>>like.
>
>
>Leo: When you are at the border; whether it is your home or
>not; Customs still has the right to search a vehicle at the
>point of arrival. The search does NOT require a warrant and
>is done at the officer's descretion.
>They do not have to put things back after the search either.
>That, sir, is the law.


They are also not limited to just a search, they can remove panels by any means (prying, drilling rivits etc.), remove insulation and even removing tires off the rims AND like RobA said they don't have to put it back together. Once I watched Canadian Customs drill holes in a truck that they thought contained drugs while waiting for a release of vehicles when I worked moving confiscated vehicles from customs to prep them for auction. They ripped that truck apart and they found what they were looking for. I saw every case for each car we handled and how intresting it is on how people think they can hid things.
 

cheri1122

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I understand that Customs has the right to tear your vehicle apart if they wish, and it's never a good idea to be anything other than politely honest with them,but the original question was about whether the driver kept guns in his home, not his truck. I don't see the relevance to the question of what you keep in your home - how could they possibly catch you, if you untruthfully said "no"?
A Customs agent gave me a hard time after asking what exactly I had delivered to Chrysler Windsor. I said I didn't know - the boxes were closed, & the contents were listed by part numbers. She asked "What if the boxes contained drugs?" All I could say was that in that case, Chrysler would have some explaining to do! Some of the Customs people seem to enjoy the power a bit too much, knowing we can't afford to annoy them, they seem to enjoy giving drivers a hard time. This applies to both American and Canadian agents. I have never turned down a load to Canada, but a few more hassles by Customs, & I might. (I am polite & honest - I don't think I give any provocation)
 

layoutshooter

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I know I enter a different country when I enter Canada. I live on the border, south of Detroit. I will ALWAYS answer questions that pertain to my truck and load. NO ONE in Canada, or the U.S. for that matter, has the right to ask me what I do or do not own in my home. My papers were in order, my load matched the B.O.L. That should be the end of it in my book. They are, at least on paper, a friendly country. What a shame that things have degraded this far. They seem to assume the guilt of all crossing and treat us as such. The vast majority of drivers follow the laws. There should be respect, common curtisey(SP?) and at least an attempt to smile. Many of my friends have even been stopped in U.S. waters by the Canadian Coast Guard. Had they not had GPS units proving where they were or they would have been arrested. Most I know now carry recording GPS units to be able to prove thier location in court if need be. Maybe we need to look a bit closer at what governments we should be friends with. I am uncomortable with socialist governments on my border. As I said before, I WILL NOT answer that question again. Layoutshooter
 

joebob1_30132

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Canada needed to be fed to the USSR years ago they are the last bastion of our welfare system.. I say shut your mouth ahe.. and you go defend something... more crybabies riding on our coat tails way to long...ahe
 

RobA

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WHat is WRONG with you people ? RE: border crap

Layoutshooter writes:

"There should be respect, common curtisey(SP?) and at least an attempt to smile. Many of my friends have even been stopped in U.S. waters by the Canadian Coast Guard. Had they not had GPS units proving where they were or they would have been arrested. Most I know now carry recording GPS units to be able to prove thier location in court if need be. Maybe we need to look a bit closer at what governments we should be friends with. I am uncomortable with socialist governments on my border. As I said before, I WILL NOT answer that question again. "

Joe Bob rambles:
"Canada needed to be fed to the USSR years ago they are the last bastion of our welfare system.. I say shut your mouth ahe.. and you go defend something... more crybabies riding on our coat tails way to long...ahe "



Now, forgive me, but it is posts like these that I find very upsetting; in fact they pizz me off!
If I was to write anything about the USofA that was founded on nothing but ignorance and malice, like these two "gentlemen" wrote about my country you people would be up in arms. Time and again, over the years I have tried to explain how, why and what the Canadian Customs officials are looking for when you bring shipments across the border. I thought I was providing a valuable service to the readers of EOL. The response usually along these lines. I was the first Moderator of the Canada Forum but tired of the abuse and slander you make at my country and resigned.
I was born in Canada over 50 years ago and I like it here. Yes; they are problems we must face as a country but that is true of every country including yours.
I do NOT understand what pleasure you get in making statements like those.

We are neighbours and friends; that does not mean we must be identical in appearance or ways.
To be frank; if we wanted to be Americans; we would move south.
We are NOT socialists nor do we purposely allow "terrorists" to move here.
Our security forces cooperate closely with those in your country.

It is the residents and citizens of the USA that seem to have changed. Ignorance obviously runs rampant in your country. Those two replies are proof of that. This is very, very sad, not just for Canada and Canadians but for the USA too.

For you drivers who don't like the fact that you have to come to this foreign land and it's inquisitive agents...please stay home. Refuse the load; tell dispatch to find a Canadian driver who'd like to get home to take it.
Why darken the borders of my country with your ignorance and hatred?

To those of you; who respect my country and it's ways...welcome; enjoy your stay. I just wish there were more like you.



By The Way; Layupshooter:
The Canadian Coast Guard does not have arrest powers. That is the responsibilty of the police forces. We do not arrest people for straying into Canadian waters of the Great Lakes. The shipping channels go from the US into Canada and back again all through the lakes. Canadian Coast Guard vessels go into US harbours to perform ice breaking duties; US Coast Guard cutters do the same in Canadian harbours. What you wrote is just plain malicious ignorance that had nothing to do with the topic being discussed.









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joebob1_30132

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RE: WHat is WRONG with you people ? RE: border cr

Hey RobA, I applaud you for your defense of the indefensable,and im not making this personal. But your past governments barking (like a little little poodle)was laughable at first and now is just plain annoying. Canada is like the rebellious teenager who calls his parents a^%holes for demanding a little order in the house while enjoying all the comforts of the house the hard working parents (THE USOFA) provide.. oh jee dad got 20 bucks i can borrow? sure son...jee thanks... a$%hole
 

greg334

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RE: WHat is WRONG with you people ? RE: border cr

>Hey RobA, I applaud you for your defense of the
>indefensable,and im not making this personal. But your past
>governments barking (like a little little poodle)was
>laughable at first and now is just plain annoying. Canada is
>like the rebellious teenager who calls his parents a^%holes
>for demanding a little order in the house while enjoying all
>the comforts of the house the hard working parents (THE
>USOFA) provide.. oh jee dad got 20 bucks i can borrow? sure
>son...jee thanks... a$%hole

OK?? What the h*ll does this all mean? This makes absolutly no sense.

Canada IS NOT dependent on us as much as I think you think it is.

I think that this is right, I think you think it is??

I am with RobA on this one.
 

joebob1_30132

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RE: WHat is WRONG with you people ? RE: border cr

Sorry fellas ..Greg... Rob... come on ..I was a little ill last night.. been stuck here for 4 days (east coast) with 6 trucks in a 200 mi radius of us.. Im sorry for how it came across.. Should have been more tackful..I think its cool when you guys up north assert yourself when you feel the need ..I some times forget all the leadership, inovation, and defense of the free world you and countries like France have provided for us.. Thanks for spending all your tax dollors on that kicka%^^ health care system you got.Really.. the world will need that after you and all the wimpy (god i wish I could use the p word right now) euros neuter the only defense you have against that Alah god. That wants your a%$ dead. I cant wait to be trading canadian currency, I could go for that. AHE Now.. go take on the day.
 

layoutshooter

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RE: WHat is WRONG with you people ? RE: border cr

I have nothing against the Canadian people. Your government has been very hostile of late. I hope that things will change with your new government. I have several friends that were stopped and boarded by Canadian Coast Guard in U.S. waters. One was detained for 4 hours while they searched for drugs and weapons, on a 16 foot boat.

Your country has the right to look into my truck or whatever when I cross. They do not have the right to ask me what I own in my house in the states. Just as my own government does not.

And by the way. Socialized medicine. Socialized retirement. Socialized public housing. Socialist country. Make sure that the people cannot protect themselfs from a run away government by taking away thier guns. Take away private property rights. All things done in all socialist countries. Same way we are heading. It sucks where ever it happens.

I am sorry I pizzed you off. I hold no malice against ANY man. I distrust your government. Mines as well. Layoutshooter
 

LDB

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This thread seems to have run it's course for anything resembling useful comments. We don't need an insult competition so if it isn't constructive comments on dealing with a border crossing don't post it.

Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 4958, 5447
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TeamCaffee

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We enjoy going to Canada to deliver a load as long as the load pays well enough to come back out of Canada empty. For the most part we have found the people to be very friendly and professional when we deliver. We have had very good luck when crossing into Canada and are constantly amazed at how much the Customs Agents know about the area we live in. Our crossing going into Canada have really been pleasant. Now coming back into the United States in another thing and the reason we do not like to bring a load back to the States. The hassle you have to put up with from the unfriendly United States custom agents gets a little hard to take. Then you have to pay them 5.00 to come into your own country. We do have our Fast Pass and that does seem to help even when not on a Fast Approved load. We have also never been asked about guns in our home and I don't think that is anyone's business.

ROBA we agree with you if someone doesnt like Canada dont go. We for one really enjoy the country, the roads, the people, and Tim Horton's
 

unorthodoxneon

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I agree with Team on this one, the worst is comming back into the states after visiting friends from canada. I have little to no problems getting into canada i have my drivers license and birth cert (soon to be passport as new laws comming) the look, ask me what i'm doing in canada and let me go. Comming back to the states they want to know details as to where i was born, how long i lived at my residence and answer all that quickly with out sounding like a "bad guy" and i still get searched.

I have heard horror stories about going to canada but most were in the past they seemed to have lighted up since then. If you co-op with them they will co-op with you.

Mind you to all my visit have been personal in my car so its different then if i was to haul something.
 

layoutshooter

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RE: WHat is WRONG with you people ? RE: border cr

Sorry guys, was just trying to find out if they were allowed to ask me what I owned in my house. Geeez, did not mean to start WW5. Yes 5. 3 was called the cold war, 4 is the war on terror and this would have been 5. Sorry.

Basic high school government. Socialism, Communisum, Capitolism are economic systems. Republics, democrocies etc are forms of government. All can and have been mixed and matched.

I too was raised on the border, I was, still am, a "river rat". I well into my 50's too. I can remember the day when all guys from both sides of the river could fish without being bothered. We could also duck hunt by just buying a Canadian hunting license. NO longer are we able too. Now we cannot anchor in Canadian water, even to fish, without first calling the bridge. We then have to wait at a port of entry for 20 minutes to see if customs shows up. We no longer can hunt like we used too either. Now if I want to hunt in Canada, I have to first drive up to the bridge, cross into Canada, then drive all the way down and find a ramp to put in on. A easy 45 mile round trip. Where I used to hunt is only 6 miles by water from Gibralter MI. I would love to have the old days back.

Just to stir up another one, just kidding, the Detroit River is not a river it is a straight. Basic geography. Fun fact to win free beers with at the local watering hole.

AND: how can people serve chickin fingers and buffalo wings when chickens don't have fingers and buffalo do not have wings?

Great names on the road: Toad Suck Park in AR, Slugburgers in MS, Boxankle in GA

Have a great night. Layoutshooter
 
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