60,000 babies of noncitizens get U.S. birthright just in Texas

chefdennis

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In Texas, between 60,000 to 65,000 babies achieve U.S. citizenship annually by being born in the state's hospitals, according to a tally released by the state's Health and Human Services Commission. Last year, such births represented almost 16 percent of the total births statewide.

Between 2001 and 2009, births to illegal immigrant women totaled 542,152 in Texas alone.

Kinda speaks for itself...oh yea and then the fed gives them free want ever they can grab, including college educations....

Wonder how much "gov handouts" one could get if you left the country, denonced your US citizenship and went ex pat...then came back as an illegal you could get.....

Across Texas, 60,000 babies of noncitizens get U.S. birthright

08:59 AM CDT on Sunday, August 8, 2010
By SHERRY JACOBSON / The Dallas Morning News
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Across Texas, 60,000 babies of noncitizens get U.S. birthright | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News

As Republican members of Congress press for changes to the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, preventing automatic citizenship for babies born to illegal immigrants, opponents insist the debate is not really about babies.

Instead, they say it is about politics and votes – not fixing the immigration system.

Still, the debate could resonate in Texas, where not only 1.5 million illegal immigrants are estimated to reside but at least 60,000 babies are added to their households annually.

Parkland Memorial Hospital delivers more of those babies than any other hospital in the state. Last year at Parkland, 11,071 babies were born to women who were noncitizens, about 74 percent of total deliveries. Most of these women are believed to be in the country illegally.

State Rep. Rafael Anchía, D-Dallas, accused Republicans of using the births to generate an explosive election issue.

"They're pulling the pin on the immigration grenade," he said. "It's all about the November elections and continuing to use the immigration issue as a wedge to win votes this fall."

But to Republicans, the emerging national debate is long overdue, considering that millions of immigrants have been living illegally in this country for years.

"They're violating our law, and we're giving their children the benefit of U.S. citizenship," said state Rep. Leo Berman, R-Tyler, whose 2009 bill in the Legislature would have challenged the birthright of immigrant children.

That bill died in committee, although Berman has vowed to file another version next year that would prohibit the state from issuing birth certificates to the children of "illegal aliens."

"I've checked the Congressional Record for when the 14th Amendment was written, and the author was quoted as saying that it did not apply to foreigners," he said. "There's no question in my mind about it."


Amendment's history

The 14th Amendment was adopted in 1868 as a way to block state laws that prevented former slaves from becoming citizens. It also effectively overruled the Dred Scott decision of 1857 in which the U.S. Supreme Court declared that slaves were mere property and could not become citizens.

The amendment offered a broad definition of citizenship in one simple sentence: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."

Donald Kerwin, a vice president of the Migration Policy Institute in Washington, D.C., said he feared that altering the current interpretation of that law "would essentially restore the Dred Scott reasoning and create a hereditary underclass in the United States.

"These children, who didn't break any laws, would have no rights and nowhere to go," he said. "It's a very extreme position."

The effort to reinterpret the 14th Amendment has been talked about for years and been targeted by numerous congressional measures that went nowhere. Last year's unsuccessful Birthright Citizenship Act, which had about 100 co-sponsors in Congress, would have required at least one parent to be a U.S. citizen for a baby to become an American citizen at birth.

The difference in this year's effort to change the 14th Amendment is that prominent Republicans are offering their support and making public statements demanding a national debate of the issue.

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, called Wednesday for a review of "birthright citizenship," after concluding that illegal immigrants had taken advantage of the post-Civil War constitutional provision.

"We need to have hearings," he said. "We need to consult constitutional scholars and study what the implications are."

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said he might introduce a constitutional amendment that would repeal the citizenship provision of the amendment.

And both Arizona Republican senators, John McCain and John Kyl, announced that the time was ripe for such a change.

"If both parents are here illegally, should there be a reward for their illegal behavior?" Kyl said recently on a Sunday morning talk show.

Changing the Constitution, however, is not as simple as getting a bill through Congress by majority vote.

Amendments have to be approved by a two-thirds vote in both the Senate and the House of Representatives, then ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures. It has happened only 27 times in U.S. history, most recently in 1992 in reference to congressional pay increases.

This latest effort would fall far short of tackling the entire Latino population now living illegally in the U.S. – the 11 million to 12 million people, according to estimates by the Pew Hispanic Center – because it would target only the children.

That distinction has drawn an outcry from some, who believe the U.S. should be embracing its growing diversity rather than trying to disenfranchise the youngest elements of it.

"Babies are born without awareness, while other individuals chose to migrate because they want something," said Dr. Jacobo Kupersztoch, an associate professor at Richland College. "If we want to grow and we want to continue to be on the top of the world, we have to continue to integrate these people into our system."


16 percent of births

In Texas, between 60,000 to 65,000 babies achieve U.S. citizenship annually by being born in the state's hospitals, according to a tally released by the state's Health and Human Services Commission. Last year, such births represented almost 16 percent of the total births statewide.

Between 2001 and 2009, births to illegal immigrant women totaled 542,152 in Texas alone.

"The next 10 years will be an even more transformative decade demographically for Texas," said Dr. Roberto Calderon, an associate history professor at the University of North Texas and a Latin American expert following the debate.

He speculated that the Republicans probably were aware of this ongoing demographic shift and how it might threaten their party since Hispanic voters tend to support Democrats.

"Manipulating the status ... the rights and the opportunities for Latinos is the only avenue many on the conservative right see as a solution to remaining viable electorally," he said. "They're expecting what used to be safe Republican seats on the state and federal level will no longer be so safe."

However, Dr. Steve Murdock, a past director of the U.S. Census Bureau, said it would be difficult – even impossible – to turn this demographic tide by targeting the legal status of future births.

"It might slow it down some," he said. "But the idea that the majority of Texas Hispanics are illegal is ludicrous. The vast majority are citizens."

Murdock, previously the state's chief demographer and now a professor at Rice University, said the growth of Hispanics as a group in Texas has more to do with their relatively younger ages than the Anglo majority and their higher birthrates.

"In the last decade in Texas, over 60 percent of the state population increase was due to Hispanics," he said. "The idea that the growth of Hispanics is sudden or happened only in the past few years or only in Texas is not correct."
 
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LDB

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That is a HUGE error in our system that should be retroactively corrected.
 

greg334

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Why is it these writers always leave out the SC court cases that DEFINED the amendment?

Talk about stoking the fires.
 

nightshift

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Court cases don't define the Amendment, they interpret it. That's how we have come to interpret the Constitution and the Amendments to it by using case law instead of using the Constitution. The 14th Amendment was solely meant to prevent southern States from deporting slaves once slavery was abolished. Many of the slaves at that time had been born in the US but were not considered to be citizens, this was to protect them, especially since they for all intents and purposes did not have a country they could call home at that time. To the best of my knowledge we are the only country that automatically gives citizenship to someone who is born to parents with citizenship in another country just because they are born in our country, they are of the same citizenry as their parents.
 

chefdennis

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It just keeps getting better....:rolleyes:

August 12, 2010

8% of US babies born to illegals

Rick Moran
American Thinker Blog: 8% of US babies born to illegals

This is a pretty stunning study from the Pew Hispanic Center , showing that about 4% of the US population is illegal but that the "unauthorized immigrants" as Pew calls them have 8% of all the babies born in the US:

Unauthorized immigrants comprise slightly more than 4% of the adult population of the U.S., but because they are relatively young and have high birthrates, their children make up a much larger share of both the newborn population (8%) and the child population (7% of those younger than age 18) in this country.
These figures are based on data from the U.S. Census Bureau's March 2009 Current Population Survey, augmented with the Pew Hispanic Center's analysis of the demographic characteristics of the unauthorized immigrant population using a "residual estimation methodology" it has employed for the past five years.

The new Pew Hispanic analysis finds that nearly four-in-five (79%) of the 5.1 million children (younger than age 18) of unauthorized immigrants were born in this country and therefore are U.S. citizens. In total, 4 million U.S.-born children of unauthorized immigrant parents resided in this country in 2009, alongside 1.1 million foreign-born children of unauthorized immigrant parents.

Yes, this is a problem. What to do about it is another question. Those 4 million kids are US citizens and thus are eligible for all the services any other US citizen is entitled. When they grow up, they can vote. They also represent a significant segment of the immigrant community that largely refuses to assimilate.

I know there are many pro-enforcement activists who would like to get rid of the concept of "anchor babies," and on one plane of thought, I sympathize with their position.

But once granted, I can't realistically see taking away citizenship. That smacks of tyranny anyway. Whether the American people want to withdraw the idea of anchor babies is another question, although it is tied up in other rights granted us by the Constitution so that too, may be a chimera.

The real solution is to keep illegals from coming here to have their babies in the first place. And no one in the federal government seems very concerned about that problem at the moment.
 

Tennesseahawk

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1 in 8? That's sickening! I just hope another SC judge doesn't end up dying or retiring while Barry is in office. We'd NEVER get the true meaning of the Constitution back!
 

greg334

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well isn't that too ****ing bad.

If you don't like the numbers, then produce more kids.

We used to have large families and until the 1950's and the "dr. Spock" and other movements, we had a growing country. NOW like Europe, we bought into this BS idea that we have a population control issue and the world can't afford more people - BS. Europe has a serious problem, I heard their ratio of natives to immigrants are something like 1 to 2, which means in two generations their gene pool is not what it was today.

When our average family went from 4 to 2.12 kids, we were in trouble.

SO start producing.
 

layoutshooter

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well isn't that too ****ing bad.

If you don't like the numbers, then produce more kids.

We used to have large families and until the 1950's and the "dr. Spock" and other movements, we had a growing country. NOW like Europe, we bought into this BS idea that we have a population control issue and the world can't afford more people - BS. Europe has a serious problem, I heard their ratio of natives to immigrants are something like 1 to 2, which means in two generations their gene pool is not what it was today.

When our average family went from 4 to 2.12 kids, we were in trouble.

SO start producing.


I am FAR TOO old for kids. Kids are a young mans game. I could not nor would I want to deal with raising a child. Grand kids are perfect, spoil the, rile them up, then hand them back to the parents to deal with it!! It IS the way life was meant to be. :p
 

chefdennis

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So Americans not having children in the numbers they have in the past justifies Illegals coming here to have the children as anchor babies....makes total sense to me.....:rolleyes:

Oh and by the way, I have 4 kids....
 

greg334

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So Americans not having children in the numbers they have in the past justifies Illegals coming here to have the children as anchor babies....makes total sense to me.....:rolleyes:

Oh and by the way, I have 4 kids....

NO it is not the justification but it is one excuse used to justify the need to allow invaders to stay, growth of the population.

Read some of the other reasoning behind Comprehensive Immigration Reform and see why I posted it like that.

Four kids is a good start.

Layout, give me a break. There seems to be a lot of 65 year old fathers around lately.
 

chefdennis

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reg wrote:

but it is one excuse used to justify the need to allow invaders to stay, growth of the population.

Read some of the other reasoning behind Comprehensive Immigration Reform and see why I posted it like that.

yea and users of illegal drugs say their use reduces the stress in their lives too....

So I guess you are ok with these numbers since the "end justifies the means".....:rolleyes:
 
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layoutshooter

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NO it is not the justification but it is one excuse used to justify the need to allow invaders to stay, growth of the population.

Read some of the other reasoning behind Comprehensive Immigration Reform and see why I posted it like that.

Four kids is a good start.

Layout, give me a break. There seems to be a lot of 65 year old fathers around lately.

That is their problem, not mine. Besides the ONLY two ways I could have a kid now would be to adopt or cheat on my wife. I won't adopt because I am in NO posititon to raise a kid and I don't want too. I won't cheat on my wife because it is wrong and I want to live!! I won't go into the idea of having a child at 65. That father is not likely to be there when the child needs him the most. Not fair to the kids. Raising kids is for the young. Grand kids is for us old doodes.
 
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