Gen Z 2024: Headwind for Republicans, Tailwind for Democrats

Pilgrim

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A little more about Gen Z and issues that are important to them:

"... only 7 percent of those between the ages 18-29 believe that the United States is a healthy democracy. Meanwhile, 39 percent believe that the nation is a democracy in trouble, while 13 percent believe it’s a failed democracy."

Notice in the graph shown in the graph below that their #1 issue is "stopping school shootings" - 82%! The #3 issue is "reducing gun violence and mass shootings". At #5 is "preserving individual rights and freedoms", which apparently means to them being able to maintain unfettered access to their TikToc and Instagram accounts.

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Considering that this is the first generation to have been liberally indoctrinated in their educational system from the 1st grade through college, is it any wonder that they're so out of touch with the primary concerns of most Americans? Going into the 2024 election, the most important issue in most polls is inflation and the cost of living - something they've never experienced.


Since I touched on the comparison of Zoomers' concerns to those of American voters overall, here's the source poll for that. Notice the disparity of between the two. Life experiences including supporting oneself, providing for a family, serving in the military, paying for healthcare and other adult responsibilities certainly give us a different perspective on our priorities.

 
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muttly

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That's exactly what's happening - ballot harvesting on college campuses. To their credit, the Democrat party has recognized the potential of these bastions of radical liberal ideology, and set up harvesting teams at nearly every college campus in the country.

These are target rich environments where liberal indoctrination is imposed daily on their students, and conservative viewpoints are censored or shouted down.

It's the perfect setup - all the Dems have to do is show up to collect the votes from the "mind-numbed robots"; the conservatives aren't allowed to compete.
Conservative speakers and organizations like Turning Point USA that go to these colleges and try to communicate with students are harassed and threatened. The indoctrination runs deep.
 
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Conservative speakers and organizations like Turning Point USA that go to these colleges and try to communicate with students are harassed and threatened. The indoctrination runs deep.
I was born into a Christian family and raised in a Christian church. I attended a Christian college and I pray to Jesus to this day. Have I been indoctrinated?

Also, what do you call it when conservatives boo people off the stage or shout down liberals they don't like? Have those conservatives been indoctrinated?
 
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I was born into a Christian family and raised in a Christian church. I attended a Christian college and I pray to Jesus to this day. Have I been indoctrinated?

Also, what do you call it when conservatives boo people off the stage or shout down liberals they don't like? Have those conservatives been indoctrinated?
Your not seeing how the liberals act I guess towards turning point usa.....shouting at them is the nicest thing they do.....a few have gotten very physically destructive and even assaulted Charlie Kirk.
 
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Your not seeing how the liberals act I guess towards turning point usa.....shouting at them is the nicest thing they do.....a few have gotten very physically destructive and even assaulted Charlie Kirk.
No one should be shouted down or booed off stage when they have been invited to speak. No physical destruction or assaults should happen.

Now, let me ask again. What do you call it when conservatives boo people off the stage or shout down liberals they don't like? Have those conservatives been indoctrinated?
 
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I was born into a Christian family and raised in a Christian church. I attended a Christian college and I pray to Jesus to this day. Have I been indoctrinated?
Sounds like you've been indoctrinated into a set of Judeo-Christian values - but that's not the point. The point is denial of the free speech rights of conservatives at the vast majority of colleges and universities in this country. Also, the teaching of liberal ideology that goes on in the classrooms and the suppression of traditional conservative ideas. An overwhelming number of American colleges - public and private - have adopted this position.
Also, what do you call it when conservatives boo people off the stage or shout down liberals they don't like? Have those conservatives been indoctrinated?
Two wrongs don't make a right - but where has this happened? And I'm talking about conservative colleges, not public venues. Has any speech suppression like this happened at Hillsdale, TCU or Oral Roberts? Granted, there are very few large conservative colleges in this country.
 
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Two wrongs don't make a right - but where has this happened? And I'm talking about conservative colleges, not public venues. Has any speech suppression like this happened at Hillsdale, TCU or Oral Roberts? Granted, there are very few large conservative colleges in this country.
I don't know. I do not track the event calendars of any college. How often does it happen that a conservative college invites controversial, big-name liberal speakers on campus to speak?

Now that you have shifted away from the meaning of indoctrination, I don't want to quibble much about campus speaking events. In every case, it is wrong for an invited speaker to be booed off the stage or shouted down. As far as the teaching of liberal or conservative views go, private colleges have every right to do as they please. The question is different for public colleges as they are publicly funded.

I would caution you about painting any college with a broad brush, or defining everything a college does by using a single event. I attended a private Christian college that you would likely consider liberal. At the time, one of their hailed board members was a Democratic US Congressman whose views were so far left it made my skin crawl.

Granted this is years ago and things may well have changed. But in my experience, the only place on campus where politics was formally discussed in a college-sanctioned way, was in the political science classes where it was common for people from the left and right to loudly square off against each other. In our student body, Sanctioned talks by guest speakers at various events also happened and the speakers, often elected officials, represented a wide variety of views, and none of them were shouted down. In that college, in those days, a student that tried to shout down a guest speaker would be themself shouted down by the students and be in trouble with the faculty.

While it would be an unfair exaggeration to say my college is as liberal as they come, it is a liberal college. But in our student body, we had numerous Republican and conservative students who were fully capable of thinking for themselves and maintaining their views.

Consider another aspect ... the fact that people think for themselves and change their minds.

At age 17 I enlisted in the US Army and volunteered to go to Viet Nam. At the time, I took a ton of heat for that from many of my high-school classmates because they were against the war. At the time, I saw myself as a loyal patriot willing to put my life at risk to fight the evils of godless communism and keep the world safe for democracy. You could say I was a conservative, and I acted like I meant it.

To my great disappointment, the Army did not send me to Viet Nam because the war was winding down and they were bringing the troops home. But as I met and worked with those troops, and they told me what went on over there, my views began to change. At the same time, the Nixon Watergate scandal was developing and my views of government further changed. My parents were part of the "Greatest Generation." I was raised to trust and respect our leaders. But as this boy became a man, I learned to be more careful about who and what I trust.

My views changed and I found myself growing more sympathetic to the students we saw in the news who were protesting in the streets. This all happened before I enrolled in college. The reason I picked the college I did was a girl I had the hots for had enrolled there, as did a couple other friends. I followed along simply because that was the comfortable choice. Together our small group toured a few campuses. The college we picked felt right for us. (I never dated the girl, she fell in love with someone else she met at college.)

In college, my views did not change much. But because of the education I received, I became highly skilled in researching a topic, applying what I learned in life, and expressing my views.

Later in life, I returned to military service by joining the National Guard where I served as an infantry officer for several years. And I became a self-employed business person and unabashed capitalist.

If you judged me solely by my college diploma, you would say I was an indoctrinated liberal ... and you would be wrong. College students think for themselves. They are not the hapless, easily molded vessels some seem to think they are.
 
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LDB

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I don't know. I do not track the event calendars of any college.
So your question is hypothetical not factual. As to your other question, you presumably chose your college and went freely so no, you were not indoctrinated, you were educated in the manner you chose. You were also an adult by then, or at least of legal age. When we speak of indoctrination, at least from my pov, we are talking about the actual indoctrination carried out in the majority of educational institutions charged with teaching children/juveniles/non-adults. Then the colleges and universities, with the exception of the few like Hillsdale/ORU/TCU, take the newly legal-aged students and reinforce the indoctrination.
 
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When we speak of indoctrination, at least from my pov, we are talking about the actual indoctrination carried out in the majority of educational institutions charged with teaching children/juveniles/non-adults.
For younger kids, is not ALL education indoctrination? Whatever you teach, you have the option of teaching something else. But you choose what you do because you want the kids to think and believe certain things.

Much of this is non-controversial. We indoctrinate kids to believe 2+2=4. If they disagree or don't get it, we give them adult attention until they do. We teach them social order by requiring them to stand in line in the lunchroom. We reward team players and punish bullies.

I was indoctrinated about civics, how a bill becomes law, my vote is important, and to pledge allegiance to the flag by the public school I attended. I was taught about socialism and dictatorships but indoctrinated to believe in democracy and the rule of law.

At what point does education become indoctrination? What's the actual difference between the two when young students, whose brains are not fully developed, are placed in classrooms and taught?
 

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No one should be shouted down or booed off stage when they have been invited to speak. No physical destruction or assaults should happen.

Now, let me ask again. What do you call it when conservatives boo people off the stage or shout down liberals they don't like? Have those conservatives been indoctrinated?
The difference is we don't go beating on people or destroying property.
 
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For younger kids, is not ALL education indoctrination? Whatever you teach, you have the option of teaching something else. But you choose what you do because you want the kids to think and believe certain things.

Much of this is non-controversial. We indoctrinate kids to believe 2+2=4. If they disagree or don't get it, we give them adult attention until they do. We teach them social order by requiring them to stand in line in the lunchroom. We reward team players and punish bullies.

I was indoctrinated about civics, how a bill becomes law, my vote is important, and to pledge allegiance to the flag by the public school I attended. I was taught about socialism and dictatorships but indoctrinated to believe in democracy and the rule of law.

At what point does education become indoctrination? What's the actual difference between the two when young students, whose brains are not fully developed, are placed in classrooms and taught?
I'm afraid my attention span isn't that long. I believe you already know anyway and are just stirring the pot. If not, at this stage in life, that's sad.
 

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I'm afraid my attention span isn't that long.
I'm sorry to hear that. Fading attention span is a common condition in aging males. As we age, it is important to remain active and keep the brain stimulated with new experiences. Physical exercise of the right kind (full-body functional training) fills this bill. In our gym, we have seen it many times that cognitive abilities improve with this kind of exercise. If you are not an active gym member now, I highly recommend it. And find a trainer or coach who can prescribe and teach you the right kind of exercise.
 

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ALL education is not indoctrination. Two quick comparative examples: math (properly taught) is black and white, answers are right or wrong. That's Education.

There's no greater example of indoctrination in today's schools than the teaching of our young children that there are more than two sexes, and that they can change their sex just by wishing it so. They're encouraging this insane delusion by enabling this life altering process upon minors WITHOUT PARENTS' KNOWLEDGE! This can involve irreversible surgery or chemical therapy. All this, just to accommodate the queer community's agenda. And it has the Democrat party's full and enthusiastic support.
 
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I'm sorry to hear that. Fading attention span is a common condition in aging males. As we age, it is important to remain active and keep the brain stimulated with new experiences. Physical exercise of the right kind (full-body functional training) fills this bill. In our gym, we have seen it many times that cognitive abilities improve with this kind of exercise. If you are not an active gym member now, I highly recommend it. And find a trainer or coach who can prescribe and teach you the right kind of exercise.
I actually just don't have the correct word at hand. I guess it's the desire to expend that much attention span which I find lacking. The ability is still available and when it interests and suits me is easily done. That's just not now and this.
 

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ALL education is not indoctrination. Two quick comparative examples: math (properly taught) is black and white, answers are right or wrong. That's Education.

There's no greater example of indoctrination in today's schools than the teaching of our young children that there are more than two sexes, and that they can change their sex just by wishing it so. They're encouraging this insane delusion by enabling this life altering process upon minors WITHOUT PARENTS' KNOWLEDGE! This can involve irreversible surgery or chemical therapy. All this, just to accommodate the queer community's agenda. And it has the Democrat party's full and enthusiastic support.
I know gender identity is a hot-button issue for some. It's not one I have followed closely. I've heard of certain books about this being banned in schools. I have not heard of the items you mention. Where exactly is it happening that young children are taught "they can change their sex just by wishing it so?" And where exactly is "enabling this life-altering process upon minors WITHOUT PARENTS; KNOWLEDGE" being done?
 
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