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Tip of the hat to French police and paramilitary forces in the wake of this week's terror events in Paris. Competent, professional, steadfast and incredibly brave. Finding a discarded cell phone in a trash bin led them to storm the suspected hideout where Islamic terrorists holed up. Some bad people met their doom at the hands of French police. On the down side, a police canine was killed in the raid. Even the dog was brave. French honor will no longer be questioned from this quarter.
 
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The USA has plenty of citizens to hunt down terriorst . We know where Muslims live in this country. We must watch for any suspicous activity and report it......do not do anything stupid, report stuff you see to the authorities only.

Your wives, kids, grandkids,and so on are your top priority, just beware of your surroundings...
 

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The USA has plenty of citizens to hunt down terriorst . We know where Muslims live in this country. We must watch for any suspicous activity and report it......do not do anything stupid, report stuff you see to the authorities only.

Your wives, kids, grandkids,and so on are your top priority, just beware of your surroundings...
Taking this point one step further, the so-called "moderate" muslims are highly likely to know where radicals are and should report suspicious characters and their activity. This effort seems to be lacking in the muslim community.
 

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How about the part where they suspended the peoples rights against search and seizure without a warrant. They also enacted the authority of the police to confiscate ANY guns found. They just extended this state of emergency for 3 months enabling unlawful search and seizures to continue.
 

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Taking this point one step further, the so-called "moderate" muslims are highly likely to know where radicals are and should report suspicious characters and their activity. This effort seems to be lacking in the muslim community.
I'll bet you think all black people know each other, too, dontcha. And all Asians, they all know each other. If you're a Christian, do you admit to knowing where all the wacko Christians are?
 

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I'll bet you think all black people know each other, too, dontcha. And all Asians, they all know each other. If you're a Christian, do you admit to knowing where all the wacko Christians are?
Here we go with the semantic nitpicking again, but I'll concede that I should have said MORE likely than "highly" likely in the first sentence. However, the straw man you're trying to create doesn't have even one leg to stand on; it's absurd to imply that it's possible for ALL Christians or ALL muslims to know each other and that's not even close to what I said. It's more likely for the wackos of any race or religion to be recognized by the people of the communities in which they implant themselves, and would be much easier for jihadists to conceal themselves within the community of Dearborn, MI than in Athens, TN. The same principle applies to the fear of ISIS terrorists implanting themselves in the hoards of refugees from Syria coming into the US and Europe - they blend in with them better than trying to come in with a group of refugees from Tibet. The fact remains that "moderate" muslims don't put forth much effort to rise up against their radical jihadist factions. Maybe they're afraid of losing their heads.
 

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Sorry, it's not a strawman. You can replace ALL with MOST or even A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER and it's still just as absurd to believe that even a large number of moderate Muslims know where they can find the Islamic radicals. It's absurd to think even any random moderate Muslim can point out where an Islamic radical might be. In some cases, sure, they know, a few, but by and large it's not like the radicals go around telling all their moderate Muslim friends about their radicalization and their jihadness, any more than school, theater and mall shooters are known, in advance, by any significant number of people, either.

The fact remains that "moderate" muslims don't put forth much effort to rise up against their radical jihadist factions. Maybe they're afraid of losing their heads.
Probably. You don't often see people rise up against their own kind unless or until they have no choice, and even then it's not a lock. How many Germans put forth any effort to rise up against the Nazis? The only moderate Muslims that will rise up against the jihadists are the moderates who are being attacked by the jihadists.
 

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I had an idea for a bumper sticker.... Islam 101 today's moderates are tomorrow's radicals.
 

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Having a few Muslim friends, I have noticed a correlation between them and some Christians: when something terrible is done by radicals, they say "Islam doesn't teach this, these people are not Muslim, they are animals".
I've heard many Christians make the same claim when a fellow Christian does something awful. "This behavior is not condoned in the bible, these animals aren't Christians".

It's easy to distance one's self from other members sharing their religion by making this empty claim.
 

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There's a correlation, alright. Islam and Christianity are virtual mirrors of reach other. Aside from the fact that they are both Abrahamaic religious with the same foundations, the awful, evil things in the Quran for which Muslims are condemned are also to be found in the Bible.
 

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There's a correlation, alright. Islam and Christianity are virtual mirrors of reach other. Aside from the fact that they are both Aramaic religious with the same foundations, the awful, evil things in the Quran for which Muslims are condemned are also to be found in the Bible.
I can't argue with a word of that.
 

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The French government has extended its state of emergency out of necessity in the face of imminent danger of more terrorist attacks by Muslim extremists. France, and much of Europe, has a tremendous problem on its hands: years of unchecked immigration by millions of people who have no desire to assimilate into European cultures. Years of appeasement and accommodation bring some European nations to a vexing crossroad where tough decisions will have to be made. It may be too late for France to stem the chaos and tumult unleashed by angry immigrants, even 2nd and 3rd generations, refusing assimilation. Saudi Arabia has announced it stands ready to finance the construction of 200 new mosques in Germany. European social strife is just beginning.
 

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People use to move to a country because they wanted to be part of that country, and they wanted their families to assimilate. Today it seems to be the opposite all together. Not sure when or where that shift happened or why countries feel the need to appease everyone. You chose to move to a country, assimilate or move to one that better suits you?
 

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People use to move to a country because they wanted to be part of that country, and they wanted their families to assimilate. Today it seems to be the opposite all together. Not sure when or where that shift happened or why countries feel the need to appease everyone. You chose to move to a country, assimilate or move to one that better suits you?
you are correct..somewhere along the line it has gotten all twisted....now we are accomodating their customs and ways
 

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Q: How many bullets does it take to shoot out a door lock?

A: On TV, one. In France, five thousand.
Not sure when or where that shift happened or why countries feel the need to appease everyone.
Blame Canada. Seriously. They started all of it with their public emphasis on the social importance of immigration. The Canadian Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism is where the political awareness of multiculturalism was invented, and multiculturalism became official Canadian national policy in 1971, followed by Australia in 1973, and then it was quickly adopted as official policy by most member-states of the EU. Sounds good. Feels good. Liberal mana from heaven. Except just like other feelgood things that are great on paper, it don't work with people (see Communism, Socialism, et al).

It was also in the early-to-mid 1970s that smarter minds in the US began a real push (albeit predictably unsuccessful, to legislate English as the official language of the United States), as a means to push back the tide of Multiculturalism. I remember that time well, because that very topic was one of the most hotly debated topics in the debating competitions in which I participated in high school.

Recently, however, the Netherlands and Denmark have noticed that it don't work with people (the bad grammar is intentional, BTW) and have reversed that policy and are officially monoculturalism countries. A similar reversal is currently being debated in the UK and EU countries due to what Aristotle said - evidence of incipient segregation and anxieties over "home-grown" terrorism, a flat refusal by immigrants to learn the local customs and culture.

In the US, Multiculturalism isn't an official policy at the federal level (except for the Department of Education, where it is, as they have introduced Multiculturalism and ethnic diversity studies at the elementary school level and on up), but it is the de facto policy, what with the official emphasis on ethnic diversity, starting with President Clinton's oxymoronically named One America Initiative that tried to create The One American Culture based on respect and shared values of Multiculturalism. Yes, it's retarded as it sounds.
 

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Taking this point one step further, the so-called "moderate" muslims are highly likely to know where radicals are and should report suspicious characters and their activity. This effort seems to be lacking in the muslim community.

OTOH, we have Americans reporting suspicious activity at the drop of a hat, like the woman who reported it on a Spirit air flight about to take off, so the Captain taxied back to the terminal while it got sorted out. After 3 [Middle Eastern] people were removed from the plane, it turns out the suspicious activity was watching the news on his cell phone. Anyone taking bets that the 'suspicious' passengers are consulting their attorneys right now? I know I get pretty angry when wrongly accused.
It's like the signs in Ohio, "Report drug activities" - huh? On the highway, what exactly would those be?
We need some clear definitions of "suspicious activity" before we can recognize it, and we don't seem to have any.
 

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People use to move to a country because they wanted to be part of that country, and they wanted their families to assimilate. Today it seems to be the opposite all together. Not sure when or where that shift happened or why countries feel the need to appease everyone. You chose to move to a country, assimilate or move to one that better suits you?

I would agree: assimilate, or don't move here. But I think many immigrants feel singled out, [esp Middle Eastern and Muslim] for suspicion of wrongdoing. The line between welcoming and appeasing can be pretty thin - it's hard to know how far to go sometimes.
That reminds me of my thoughts whenever I hear a complaint about 'big government': it's a big country, lol. [They could find many smaller ones, and Cuba isn't far - just sayin] ;)
 

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People use to move to a country because they wanted to be part of that country, and they wanted their families to assimilate. Today it seems to be the opposite all together. Not sure when or where that shift happened or why countries feel the need to appease everyone. You chose to move to a country, assimilate or move to one that better suits you?
Assimilation takes a couple of generations. If it didn't, our cities wouldn't have ethnic neighborhoods such as New York's little itialy or San Franciscos Chinatown.
 
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