Two Ferguson, MO Policemen Ambushed: Anyone Surprised?

Pilgrim

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It was just a matter of time before something like this would happen, considering the race-mongering by the Holder DOJ and the agitation by Jessie, AL and the other riot pimps. Fortunately, the officers' wounds were not life-threatening. The entire Ferguson mess is a lesson for community leaders and elected officials on how NOT to handle a crisis.
Two police officers were shot early Thursday morning outside the Ferguson, Mo., police department, in what St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar described as an “ambush.”

The shooting came during the latest protests in the St. Louis suburb, which has become a flashpoint over race and policing since an unarmed black teen was fatally shot by police there in August.

Chief Belmar said the officers suffered serious injuries, but should recover. A 32-year-old officer from nearby Webster Groves was shot in the face, and a 41-year-old officer from St. Louis County was shot in the shoulder, he said. A Facebook post by the department said the two officers have been released from a local hospital.

Ferguson Officers? Shooting Called ?Ambush? - WSJ
Here's a prediction: when the perps are caught they'll be hailed by the media and community as heroes and/or victims. It will be interesting to see how their prosecution progresses through the MO legal system.
 

RLENT

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ROTFLMAO ...

I'll bet that anything that Holder would say on matters of race would look like "race-mongering" ... to a white supremacist ...

Department of Justice
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, March 4, 2015



Justice Department Announces Findings of Two Civil Rights Investigations in Ferguson, Missouri

Justice Department Finds a Pattern of Civil Rights Violations by the Ferguson Police Department

The Justice Department announced the findings of its two civil rights investigations related to Ferguson, Missouri, today. The Justice Department found that the Ferguson Police Department (FPD) engaged in a pattern or practice of conduct that violates the First, Fourth, and 14[SUP]th[/SUP] Amendments of the Constitution. The Justice Department also announced that the evidence examined in its independent, federal investigation into the fatal shooting of Michael Brown does not support federal civil rights charges against Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson.

As detailed in our report, this investigation found a community that was deeply polarized, and where deep distrust and hostility often characterized interactions between police and area residents,” said Attorney General Eric Holder. “Our investigation showed that Ferguson police officers routinely violate the Fourth Amendment in stopping people without reasonable suspicion, arresting them without probable cause, and using unreasonable force against them. Now that our investigation has reached its conclusion, it is time for Ferguson’s leaders to take immediate, wholesale and structural corrective action. The report we have issued and the steps we have taken are only the beginning of a necessarily resource-intensive and inclusive process to promote reconciliation, to reduce and eliminate bias, and to bridge gaps and build understanding.”

“While the findings in Ferguson are very serious and the list of needed changes is long, the record of the Civil Rights Division’s work with police departments across the country shows that if the Ferguson Police Department truly commits to community policing, it can restore the trust it has lost,” said Acting Assistant Attorney General Vanita Gupta of the Civil Rights Division. “We look forward to working with City Officials and the many communities that make up Ferguson to develop and institute reforms that will focus the Ferguson Police Department on public safety and constitutional policing instead of revenue. Real community policing is possible and ensures that all people are equal before the law, and that law enforcement is seen as a part of, rather than distant from, the communities they serve.”

Attorney General Holder first announced the comprehensive pattern or practice investigation into the Ferguson Police Department after visiting that community in August 2014, and hearing directly from residents about police practices and the lack of trust between FPD and those they are sworn to protect. The investigation focused on the FPD’s use of force, including deadly force; stops, searches and arrests; discriminatory policing; and treatment of detainees inside Ferguson’s city jail by Ferguson police officers.

In the course of its pattern or practice investigation, the Civil Rights Division reviewed more than 35,000 pages of police records; interviewed and met with city, police and court officials, including the FPD’s chief and numerous other officers; conducted hundreds of in-person and telephone interviews, as well as participated in meetings with community members and groups; observed Ferguson Municipal Court sessions, and; analyzed FPD’s data on stops, searches and arrests. It found that the combination of Ferguson’s focus on generating revenue over public safety, along with racial bias, has a profound effect on the FPD’s police and court practices, resulting in conduct that routinely violates the Constitution and federal law. The department also found that these patterns created a lack of trust between the FPD and significant portions of Ferguson’s residents, especially African Americans.

The department found that the FPD has a pattern or practice of:


  • Conducting stops without reasonable suspicion and arrests without probable cause in violation of the Fourth Amendment;
  • Interfering with the right to free expression in violation of the First Amendment; and
  • Using unreasonable force in violation of the Fourth Amendment.

The department found that Ferguson Municipal Court has a pattern or practice of:


  • Focusing on revenue over public safety, leading to court practices that violate the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] Amendment’s due process and equal protection requirements.
  • Court practices exacerbating the harm of Ferguson’s unconstitutional police practices and imposing particular hardship upon Ferguson’s most vulnerable residents, especially upon those living in or near poverty.Minor offenses can generate crippling debts, result in jail time because of an inability to pay and result in the loss of a driver’s license, employment, or housing.
The department found a pattern or practice of racial bias in both the FPD and municipal court:

  • The harms of Ferguson’s police and court practices are borne disproportionately by African Americans and that this disproportionate impact is avoidable.
  • Ferguson’s harmful court and police practices are due, at least in part, to intentional discrimination, as demonstrated by direct evidence of racial bias and stereotyping about African Americans by certain Ferguson police and municipal court officials.

The findings are laid out in a 100-page report that discusses the evidence and what remedies should be implemented to end the pattern or practice. The findings include two sets of recommendations, 26 in total, that the Justice Department believes are necessary to correct the unconstitutional FPD and Ferguson Municipal Court practices. The recommendations include: changing policing and court practices so that they are based on public safety instead of revenue; improving training and oversight; changing practices to reduce bias, and; ending an overreliance on arrest warrants as a means of collecting fines.


The Justice Department will require that the recommendations and other measures be part of a court-enforceable remedial process that includes involvement from community stakeholders as well as independent oversight. The Justice Department has provided its investigative report to the FPD and in the coming weeks, the Civil Rights Division will seek to work with the City of Ferguson and the Ferguson community to develop and reach an agreement for reform, using the recommendations in the report as the starting point.


The federal criminal investigation into the fatal shooting of Michael Brown sought to determine whether the evidence from the events that led to Brown’s death was sufficient to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Wilson’s actions violated federal civil rights laws that make it a federal crime for someone acting with law enforcement authority to willfully violate a person’s civil rights. As part of the investigation, federal authorities reviewed physical, ballistic, forensic, and crime scene evidence; medical reports and autopsy reports, including an independent autopsy performed by the U.S. Department of Defense Armed Forces Medical Examiner Service; Wilson’s personnel records; audio and video recordings; internet postings, and; the transcripts from the proceedings before the St. Louis County grand jury. Federal investigators interviewed purported eyewitnesses and other individuals claiming to have relevant information. Federal prosecutors and agents re-interviewed dozens of witnesses to evaluate their accounts and obtain more detailed information. FBI agents independently canvassed more than 300 residences to locate and interview additional witnesses.


The standard of proof is the same for all criminal cases: that the defendant committed the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. However, unlike state laws, federal criminal civil rights statutes do not have the equivalent of manslaughter or a statute that makes negligence a crime. Federal statutes require the government to prove that Officer Wilson used unreasonable force when he shot Michael Brown and that he did so willfully, that is, he shot Brown knowing it was wrong and against the law to do so. After a careful and deliberative review of all of the evidence, the department has determined that the evidence does not establish that Darren Wilson violated the applicable federal criminal civil rights statute. The family of Michael Brown was notified earlier today of the department’s findings.


Due to the high interest in this case, the department took the rare step of publicly releasing the closing memo in the case. The report details, in over 80 pages, the evidence, including evidence from witnesses, the autopsies and physical evidence from the analysis of the DNA, blood, shooting scene and ballistics. The report also explains the law as developed by the federal courts and applies that law to the evidence.


DOJ Report on Shooting of Michael Brown


Ferguson Police Department Report


Pattern and Practice Typography


Pattern and Practice Chart
Yeah ... that's some real inflammatory chit right there ... :rolleyes:
 
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Turtle

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It was just a matter of time before something like this would happen, considering the race-mongering by the Holder DOJ and the agitation by Jessie, AL and the other riot pimps.
Yeah, and that's on top of the systemic real, actual racial discrimination and brutality of the Ferguson police force, city council, and municipal court system.
 

jamom123

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I got an idea, since the Ferguson police department is looking for a new chief why don't Holder or Sharpton take the job and show everyone the correct way to police.
 

Pilgrim

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Yeah, and that's on top of the systemic real, actual racial discrimination and brutality of the Ferguson police force, city council, and municipal court system.
Assuming all of that's true, does it justify vigilantes, snipers or "protesters" shooting the cops - especially after Holder's recent report and the steps being taken to correct the corruption in the Ferguson city government? This kind of criminal behavior only supports the militarization of the police that we saw in Ferguson in the first place.
 

witness23

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Assuming all of that's true, does it justify vigilantes, snipers or "protesters" shooting the cops - especially after Holder's recent report and the steps being taken to correct the corruption in the Ferguson city government? This kind of criminal behavior only supports the militarization of the police that we saw in Ferguson in the first place.

Assuming all of that's true.

lmfao! Rubes I tell ya, Rubes.
 

RLENT

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Assuming all of that's true, does it justify vigilantes, snipers or "protesters" shooting the cops - especially after Holder's recent report and the steps being taken to correct the corruption in the Ferguson city government?
Of course not ... which is why Holder just held a press conference and condemned the shooter(s), calling them "**** punks" ...

This kind of criminal behavior only supports the militarization of the police that we saw in Ferguson in the first place.
... only to someone with a thoroughly demented mind ... :rolleyes:
 

muttly

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Interesting article about 'disparate impact'.
Article:
Justice’s Ferguson report allegedly will rest on a “disparate impact” analysis of Ferguson’s police practices. Disparate-impact analysis obviates the need to find intentional discrimination in a civil-rights case; a policy or practice can be wholly color-blind, but if, in its application, it falls more heavily on a particular racial group, it is illegal under certain federal regulations. A job requirement that employees have a high-school degree is a classic example of a policy that has a disparate impact, if the high-school-degree requirement disqualifies more blacks than whites for the job. Never mind that the employer applies his job threshold without racial bias, he can be held liable for racial discrimination anyway if he is unable to justify the high-school requirement as a business necessity.

The Obama administration’s aggressive use of disparate-impact theory against schools for their disciplinary practices has been a disaster for classroom safety and order. That school-discipline crusade has meant that schools cannot remove unruly black students from the classroom under neutral behavioral codes without triggering potential legal liability, simply because more black students violate those codes. But as destructive as the application of disparate-impact theory to school authority has been, applying it broadly to law enforcement is a recipe for anarchy. There are few criminal laws that do not have a disparate impact on blacks, because the black crime rate is more elevated than the white crime rate. Black males between the ages of 14 and 17, for example, die from homicide nationally at nearly ten times the rate of white and Hispanic males of the same ages combined, because the black youth homicide rate is similarly skewed. Blacks commit property crimes at about three times the rate of their presence in the national population, according to arrest data. And although the topic has been virtually taboo in research circles, the few studies that have looked at driving behavior, including in New Jersey and North Carolina, suggest that black drivers violate traffic laws at a higher rate than whites do.

In Ferguson, blacks accounted for 86 percent of traffic stops in 2013 but make up 63 percent of the population, reports the New York Times. Such numbers are meaningless as a measure of police behavior, unless one considers the underlying rate of traffic offenses. If blacks are disproportionately represented among speeders, red-light runners, and drivers without updated vehicle registration, say, then their higher rate of being stopped simply means that the police are applying the traffic laws neutrally to lawbreakers. Do not expect the Justice Department to have performed such an analysis of driving behavior, however. And discovering the underlying rate of driving offenses is just the beginning of the analysis. The demographics of roadways can differ enormously from the residential population surrounding those roadways and even vary according to the time of day and the day of the week. Using a residential-population benchmark to evaluate traffic enforcement — which the Justice Department is certain to do — is illegitimate as either a research or a legal strategy.

The New York Times also notes that black drivers in Ferguson were twice as likely to be searched, even though searches of white drivers were more likely to turn up contraband. Again, such a statistic is meaningless unless one knows the underlying rate at which black and white drivers had outstanding warrants — which will trigger a search — and what their behavior was upon being stopped.

The absence of a valid benchmark for evaluating traffic enforcement undercuts any intentional-discrimination claim against the police. But the use of disparate-impact analysis could make it irrelevant to know whether blacks violate the traffic laws at a higher rate; the neutral application of those laws would nevertheless be a form of discrimination if blacks are disproportionately penalized under those laws. If that is in fact the tack that the Justice Department takes in the case, the Department is nevertheless certain to imply that the Ferguson police department is also deliberately discriminating against black drivers, because that is what the Democrats’ base demands.

Predictably, the New York Times also throws out the hoary chestnut that the Ferguson police department is mostly white in a majority-black town, ignoring, as usual, the inconvenient fact that majority-black law-enforcement bodies have been accused by no less than the federal government of severe civil-rights abuses against blacks. See, for example, the corrections officers and administrators in New York’s Rikers Island jail complex — the local U.S. attorney charges them with having a “culture of violence” against adolescent inmates — the Detroit police department, and the New Orleans police department. Expect the DOJ to make a similar complaint about the racial composition of the Ferguson department.

Attorney General Holder plans to push for a lower standard of proof for civil-rights offenses as one of his final acts in office, reports Politico. Between that standard-of-proof initiative and the possible expansion of disparate-impact theory in regards to policing, Holder (who megalomaniacally believes that Republican opposition to his policies was driven in part by race) is guaranteeing that racial tensions will remain easily exploitable by Democratic politicians. But Holder will have achieved that political advantage at the expense of the many law-abiding black citizens in high-crime areas who depend on the police to maintain order.
National Review

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/415128/disparate-impact-racket-thomas-sowell
 
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RLENT

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Barf,

Did you bother to read the DOJ report on Ferguson I linked earlier ... or have you been too busy scouring the Internet for something to refute the idea that there was racism in the Ferguson PD ?
 

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Assuming all of that's true, does it justify vigilantes, snipers or "protesters" shooting the cops - especially after Holder's recent report and the steps being taken to correct the corruption in the Ferguson city government?
Justify? No. But it's not at all unexpected. Vigilante justice is extrajudicial punishment that is motivated by the nonexistence of law and order or, in the case of Ferguson, gross dissatisfaction with justice. People in Ferguson are sick and tired of the mostly white justice system dispensing justice mostly and primarily on black folks. Vigilante justice is simply the pendulum swinging back the other way. Hardly a surprise. Afterall, what goes around comes around. You reap what ye sow.

This kind of criminal behavior only supports the militarization of the police that we saw in Ferguson in the first place.
That's what caused the pendulum to swing in the first place. If you're gonna pine for police militarization and swift hard justice against black folks, then you must equally accept the cause and effect of the dissatisfaction with that justice.
 

tknight

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Seriously the white people need to commit more crimes to even out the arrests! What a stupid thought 68% vs 86% arrests and crimes by black people
 

aristotle

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Do we need to go to a quota system where the racial makeup of the police force is proportional to local demographics? That won't work, either. Slippery slope all the way.

It's no longer safe for an uniformed white police officer to work in Ferguson. What's the best answer? Has Ferguson become a no-go zone?

Too many of the protesters are playing for the cameras. They want to be celebrities making no distinction between fame and infamy. This city could have been saved had not the racial agitators showed up. The choices now are hardcore enforcement or withdraw.
 
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muttly

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Do we need to go to a quota system where the racial makeup of the police force is proportional to local demographics? That won't work, either. Slippery slope all the way.

It's no longer safe for a uniformed white police officer to work in Ferguson. What's the best answer? Has Ferguson become a no-go zone?

Too many of the protesters are playing for the cameras. They want to be celebrities making no distinction between fame and infamy. This city could have been saved had not the racial agitators showed up. The choices now are hardcore enforcement or withdraw.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Ferguson Police Dept was disbanded and the policing is done by a larger one like the St Louis PD. Too dangerous for the current officers to continue. Most probably want to get out of there now anyway. The agitators have succeeded in doing irreparable harm to a police dept. who had a handful of knuckle headed racist bigots out of over 70 people.
 
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Pilgrim

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Justify? No. But it's not at all unexpected. Vigilante justice is extrajudicial punishment that is motivated by the nonexistence of law and order or, in the case of Ferguson, gross dissatisfaction with justice.
"Vigilante justice" is a bit of an oxymoron, considering that it is indeed "extrajudicial" criminal activity - not "punishment" - without regard to law and order. And you're right about the underlying cause: dissatisfaction with justice as it was handed down by the state and federal authorities. The vigilantes didn't get the verdict they wanted against Officer Wilson. However, they are in the process of getting a lot of the changes in the municipal and police departments that they wanted as a result of the federal investigation.
The effects of a ****ing Justice Department report on the racially biased and exploitative practices of local authorities in Ferguson, Missouri, are being felt in the St. Louis suburb.
Both the Ferguson city manager, John Shaw, and municipal Judge Ronald Brockmeyer have stepped down this week in the wake of the federal investigation. Meanwhile, the Missouri Supreme Court has assigned all local municipal court cases to an appellate judge “to help restore public trust and confidence in the Ferguson municipal court division,” a release announcing the move said.
Two police supervisors, Capt. Rick Henke and Sgt. William Mudd, also resigned last week after the report, released Wednesday, brought to light emails containing racist jokes.

DOJ Ferguson Report Prompts Resignations, Court Takeover - US News
In addition Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson resigned Wed, so it would seem the residents of the town would understand that the reforms they wanted are taking place. Obviously that's not the case.

That's what caused the pendulum to swing in the first place. If you're gonna pine for police militarization and swift hard justice against black folks, then you must equally accept the cause and effect of the dissatisfaction with that justice.
No, this assault on the two cops justifies that militarization and we'll likely see more of it as this anti-cop sentiment grows in certain political and social groups. The only thing I and others pine for is swift hard justice against any criminals that take the law into their own hands and destroy lives and property when they're not satisfied with the results of the judicial process.
 

RLENT

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Some of the posts in this thread are utterly hilarious ... starting with the initial presumption - based on no real evidence that I can see - that the recent shooting of the two cops was committed by the protestors or anyone sympathetic to them.

It's the sort of mindless, moronic "everybody knows" thinking informed either by drinking too much ideological Koolaid, or racial stereotyping informed by one' own racial predujices.

It's entirely possible that someone else - of a paler shade - inclined to stir up racial animus committed the crime.
 

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Seriously the white people need to commit more crimes to even out the arrests! What a stupid thought 68% vs 86% arrests and crimes by black people
There's some stiff competition in this thread, but that right there may be the most ignorant statement in it. Black folks in Ferguson aren't arrested, charged and convicted at higher rates than whites because they commit more crimes, they are targeted, arrested, charged and convicted at higher rates simply because they're black. And, it turns out, the disproportionate stops and arrests of blacks were on the orders of the city government.
 

Turtle

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Do we need to go to a quota system where the racial makeup of the police force is proportional to local demographics? That won't work, either. Slippery slope all the way.
You mean like the slippery slope of a majority black population of South Africa being policed by a white justice system?

It's no longer safe for an uniformed white police officer to work in Ferguson. What's the best answer? Has Ferguson become a no-go zone?

Too many of the protesters are playing for the cameras. They want to be celebrities making no distinction between fame and infamy. This city could have been saved had not the racial agitators showed up. The choices now are hardcore enforcement or withdraw.
The "racial agitators" as you call them turned out to be illuminators of fact. Black in Ferguson have for years been targeted specifically for their race, and have been routinely unjustly stopped, harassed, and charged with crimes. And your solution is to double down on the racism, or simply pack up and leave because residents will no longer put up with it?
 
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