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    There has been a lot of talk lately from the media, politicians, and others about the term 'Fake News'. I thought It might be a good idea to start a thread about it so examples of It can be posted, discussed, or refuted with 'alternative facts.' :D
    Here is an opinion piece with a few examples in it from the past week to kick it off.
    SHOCK LIST: Last Week The National Media Spread THIS MUCH Fake News
     
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    The latest fake news: Vans and Sprinters will be getting 2.75 a mile starting in 2019....
     
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    Trump says he still believes there was widespread voter fraud, MSM calls him a liar.

    Rep Elijah Cummings says if you disagree with Trump's voter fraud claim then you no longer have the right to remain silent, MSM ignores it.
     
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    Just curious...has there been a thorough examination/ study of California's voters in past elections regarding their U.S citizenship or lack thereof?
     
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    One of the stories, regarding Hillary's campaign pushing the birther story, doesn't mention that the McClatchy news editor said that Sidney Blumenthal( a long time Clinton confidant)wanted his news organization to go to Kenya and see what they can find about Obama being born there. The original article hasn't been updated with that angle included. McClatchy's accusation and the original story were produced very close together. But still it should be updated since there is evidence (McClatchy's assertion) of a possible involvement with Hillary's campaign via Blumenthal and hasn't been debunked.
     
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    Thorough? No way. But, here's a good read on it.
    FLASHBACK: WaPo Publishes Study That Claims Millions of Illegal Aliens Vote

    Whenever that study is brought up (like it was today on CNN), the immediate canned response is, "That study has been debunked!"

    Well, no it hasn't. Disagreeing with a study's finding is not even remotely the same as debunking those findings. "Many experts" disagree with the study," they will tell you, "due to methodology." What they won't tell you is that "many other experts" agree with it one hundred percent, mainly because of the exacting and exhaustive methodology used.

    If President Bill Clinton says, "I did not have sex with that women, Miss Lewinski," is that a lie? The NY Times doesn't think so, even though Clinton said it with the implicit intent to deceive.

    If President Barack Obama says, "If you like your health care plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Period." Even though he knew at the time he said it that it wasn't true, the NY Times doesn't consider that to be a lie. They consider it to be something that "just turned out no to be the case."

    If Trump believes there is widespread voter fraud, and says people voted illegally, is that a lie? The NY Times you betcha thinks it is.
     
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    This piece by Cavuto is brilliant (because I agree with it, naturally). But what he so perfectly illustrates is the very same blatant hypocrisy that I see all the time. I don't know why more people can't see it. It's so obvious.

     
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    What difference would it have made his mother was American so oboma is a American
     
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    Correct.
     
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    Yes and no. If he was not born in Hawaii but was instead born in a foreign land, he might not have been (almost certainly would not have been) a US citizen, even with a US citizen parent. Under the law that existed at the time Obama was born (was in effect from 1952 to 1986), in the case of a child born to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent, the U.S. citizen parent had only to be physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions prior to the child's birth for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after the age of 14. Obama was born when his mother was 18, which is 1 year shy of the 5 year requirement.

    Prior to May 24, 1934, children born outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, whose fathers were United States citizens, acquired U.S. citizenship at birth (unless the father had never "resided" in the United States prior to the child's birth). At that time (prior to 1934), U.S. citizen mothers were not permitted to transmit U.S. citizenship to their children born abroad. The 1934 Statute gave U.S. citizen mothers equality of status regarding their ability to transmit U.S. citizenship. In 1940 the statute added more specific retention requirement, where in the case of a child born to a U.S. citizen parent and an alien parent, the U.S. citizen parent had to have resided in the United States or its outlying possessions for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after attaining the age of 16 years in order to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child. In 1946 the 5 year requirement was modified to be from age 12, if the parent served in the US Armed Forces. And in 1952 it reduced the 5 year retention age from 16 to 14, which is where Obama's mother fell into the law.

    In 1986 the law was further amended to be where it stand now, where a child born to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent would acquire U.S. citizenship if the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for at least 5 years prior to the birth, at least 2 of which were after attaining the age of 14 years.

    But a Hawaii birth certificate makes all of that moot, which is why birthers were so adamant about it, because if he were born in Kenya, he would not be a US citizen despite his mother being a US citizen, due to that 5 year requirement. Since he was clearly born in Hawaii, which was a state at the time, there ya go. Naturalized at birth.

    Lawsuits over candidates' eligibility are not uncommon. For example, suits have been filed, ironically by Democrats, challenging the citizenship status of John McCain (who was born in the Panama Canal Zone), challenging the Wyoming residency status of Dick Cheney (who was born in Wyoming but moved to Texas), and challenging the citizenship status of 1964 Republican presidential nominee Barry Goldwater (who was born in Arizona before that territory was admitted as a state). None of the people who challenged those citizenships were painted as being racist. So, the irony of it all, you know.
     
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    It looks like the Russkies Photoshopped in the missing MLK bust to make Trump look good.
     
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    ABC Photoshopped in the snowstorm.
     
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    Right, because to them when Trump looks outside it's not sunny.
     
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    From the NY Times...

    Next sentence...
    Am I the only one who thinks that the Times stating that there isn't any evidence to support Trump's illegal vote assertion and then in the very next sentence gives the link to evidence that supports his assertion is, uhm, ironic?

    The article then goes on and takes great convoluted pains to show why the study (the Cooperative Congressional Election Study) is worthless and shouldn't be taken seriously at all. They use the ever-popular "imagine what if" method to construct a straw man that can easily be dismissed, forever planting the any future references to the study should be just as easily dismissed. For some reason, they do not engage in the thought exercise of using the same "imagine what if" to show how the study could be used to show that illegal voting is even far worse that it might appear. Yet both thought exercises are worthy of doing. Neither of the extreme results of either of the thought exercises are likely to be accurate (virtually no illegals voting versus millions of illegals voting), but both show that it's certainly possible for the number to be somewhere in between.

    But rest assured, until every illegal who voted illegally stands there and swears under oath that they voted illegally, there will never be any evidence that the press will admit to as evidence of illegal voting.


    The Media Should 'Keep Its Mouth Shut'
    In other news, someone deleted their post where Jake Tapper of CNN Tweeted the NYT piece about Trump's co-Chief of Staff Steven Bannon saying that the media should 'Keep it's mouth shut.' I don't know, but I'm guessing the post was deleted because, on the surface, it might not look like fake news, since Bannon actually said that.

    The term "fake news" started off meaning news that was totally fake, completely fabricated, not true at all. But it's quickly become a way to indicate news stories that are presented in a less-than honest manner, presented as propaganda to make someone believe something other than the full and accurate truth. It's like the story of Trump grabbing women by the kittens. The only thing Trump ever said that he actually did was kiss women. Everything else was hypothetical, and with consent, yet it all got presented as sexual assault. "Senator, do you believe that grabbing a woman by her kitty is sexual assault?" "Why, yes, yes, of course it is."

    So now we have headlines that show Steve Bannon as saying the media should keep their mouths shut. Most people will only read the headlines, of course, so the takeaway is that Bannon is attempting to muzzle the media. In many of the stories that follow the headlines, muzzling the media is precisely the narrative that is crafted. Reporters Tweet their shock and awe asking, "I'm sorry, what country do we live in? Trump strategist says media should "keep it's mouth shut." (Christiane Amanpour).

    The reality is, Bannon spanked the press using a Truth Paddle, and they reacted by playing innocent victim and then climbing the moral high mountain of the importance of a free press.

    "The elite media got it dead wrong, 100 percent dead wrong, a humiliating defeat that they will never wash away, that will always be there. The mainstream media has not fired or terminated anyone associated with following our campaign. Look at the Twitter feeds of those people: They were outright activists of the Clinton campaign. The media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while. I want you to quote this. The media here is the opposition party. They don’t understand this country. They still do not understand why Donald Trump is the president of the United States. That’s why you have no power. You were humiliated.”

    Saying "The media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while," is hardly an attempt to muzzle the press, and the press damn well knows it. The phrase "keep your mouth shut and just listen" is something that every journalist has heard in journalism school. It's a method that journalists use (or are supposed to use) to check their own bias in their reporting. It means listen and gather the facts, and report those facts, without you opening your mouth and inserting your own opinions into the story. The press is mad, and arrogant about it, because they got slapped up side the head with stuff they aren't doing despite being taught to do it in journalism school. And it's hilarious.

    On a side note, Jake Tapper reTweeting the NYT is just another example of how CNN would be a test pattern if it weren't for the New York Times, something else that Steve Bannon has said.

    In a very Trumpian move, Tapper goes out of his way to become part of the news by posting this (a story, again, that comes from the NYT and not Tapper himself or CNN, so it appears that Bannon really struck a nerve with Tapper).
    The Lead CNN on Twitter
     
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