Pearl Harbor Vets disrespected by Hawaii 5-0 crew

[Dreamer]

Wasn't sure if this would be general interest in the Loading Dock, or here.. but I guess it is political.

A large group of Pearl Harbor vets were shooed out of the way for trying to visit their fallen comrades graves.. because H50 was shooting a scene there.

On Friday, December 9th TGGF and Tubbs were escorting 23 old warriors to the National Memorial of the Pacific in Honolulu, ‘Punchbowl’ as it is called. What Tubbs witnessed was a disgraceful display that attempted to hide these heroes so as not to ruin the television show’s shooting on this hallowed ground.

CBS’ Hawaii Five-O cast and crew disrespect World War II survivors | Tony's Rants

 

[layoutshooter]

Far to much of this sort of thing goes on.

 

[Pilgrim]

Since I've never seen the show, my threat to boycott wouldn't mean much. It would probably be more effective to contact their advertisers.

 

[Turtle]

Well, Tubbs works for ClearChannel, who thinks their **** don't stink in the first place. They think they can do whatever they want, and people should bow to their greatness in all circumstances, anyway, so it doesn't surprise me that he's offended, deeply I tell you, that everyone on the Island didn't think he and his little band of veterans, and the event he was in charge of, were the center of the universe that day.

"This is a public place and its Pearl Harbor week. These men have made it possible for you to shoot here today." Therefor you should not be shooting here today, apparently. <snort>

He and others are upset that the crew, who were working 200 yards away and not a part of the ceremony, failed to stop working and participate in the ceremony when the National Anthem and Taps were played, even though they weren't, like, you know, part of the ceremony. No, really. I'm not making this up.

"The damage has been done. The veterans have been upset," added Davis. "We left with a sour taste in our mouths." Davis told Hawaii News Now the veterans would like an apology and ask that veterans be treated with proper respect in the future.

"If Hawaii 5-0 continues to film in that cemetery, they need to understand that cemetery is a national shrine for many of those who fought and served in the Pacific and you just can't come in and bring two tons of equipment and place it over the tops of the graves knowing that someone is underneath that equipment that fought for our freedom," Tim Davis, president and founder of TGGF concluded.

Weeeeellllll, actually, you can.... (you can also drive a riding lawnmower, loud enough to wake the dead, over those graves)

They are whining about the Hawaii 5-0 crew, but their beef is actually with retired Marine Corps Colonel Gene Castagnetti, the Director of the Cemetery.

"We've worked with Hawaii 5-0 on three other filmings and we've worked with Paramount Pictures on the movie Battleship," cemetery director Gene Castagnetti told Hawaii News Now.

Castagnetti is a retired Marine Corps Colonel. He welcomes television and movie productions as a way to invoke patriotism and recognize the sacrifice of those interred at Punchbowl.

"If somebody was offended, that is a concern of ours. And if there is some way we can do better by still allowing people to conduct filming and movies and television, which tells the stories about veterans, we're open to those suggestions," Castagnetti said.

 

[layoutshooter]

I don't know, when ever I am on a military base, or at a function where "Taps" or the Anthem is played, I stop what I am doing and provide the proper display of respect. I come to attention and salute, whether I am part of the ceremony or not. It is called showing courtesy for others. Strange concept these days.

 

[greg334]

I thought this was about the anniversary where the speaker kept on talking and talking while the National Guard flew their missing man formation overhead. In that case, the question was raised who thought of asking a non-military person to give the ceremonial speech.

 

[layoutshooter]

I thought this was about the anniversary where the speaker kept on talking and talking while the National Guard flew their missing man formation overhead. In that case, the question was raised who thought of asking a non-military person to give the ceremonial speech.

It is more than possible for a non-military person to speak at a military function and do so with proper respect. Respect and courtesy are meant to be taught at home. A few questions prior to the ceremony would make it easy for a non-military person to act properly.

I can't wait for certain members of our society to complain about the cost of the flyover.

 

[greg334]

It is more than possible for a non-military person to speak at a military function and do so with proper respect. Respect and courtesy are meant to be taught at home. A few questions prior to the ceremony would make it easy for a non-military person to act properly.

I understand that but the point is that the person should have used some common sense and shut up when the flyover was taking place. I think as part of the requirement to speak at this event is to attend a prior one.

I can't wait for certain members of our society to complain about the cost of the flyover.

Already has happened, I have complained about the fly overs for trivial things like mall openings before.

 

[layoutshooter]

Not asking about when or when not to speak is part of courtesy. That is all it would have taken.

The fly overs cost nothing above normal costs. Those pilots are required to fly so many hours a year. Those fly over are just worked into those hours. So many hours have to be put into "target practice" and so many hours into formation work. The costs are the same.

 

[Turtle]

I don't know, when ever I am on a military base, or at a function where "Taps" or the Anthem is played, I stop what I am doing and provide the proper display of respect. I come to attention and salute, whether I am part of the ceremony or not. It is called showing courtesy for others. Strange concept these days.

Sounds good in the abstract. But let's say you are on a military base to make a WG delivery. You have one hour to unload your truck, and you are already 15 minutes behind schedule. If you fail to have the truck unloaded on time you will not get paid for the ridiculously overcompensated 2000 mile run for $6500 that got you there. As you are feverishly unloading delicate cargo, there, suddenly, off in the distance, you hear the National Anthem being played. Do you stop what you are doing, thereby likely ensuring you will not get paid for the delivery? And if so, do you stop again a few minutes later, absolutely ensuring you will not get paid, when you hear Taps played?

 

[layoutshooter]

Sounds good in the abstract. But let's say you are on a military base to make a WG delivery. You have one hour to unload your truck, and you are already 15 minutes behind schedule. If you fail to have the truck unloaded on time you will not get paid for the ridiculously overcompensated 2000 mile run for $6500 that got you there. As you are feverishly unloading delicate cargo, there, suddenly, off in the distance, you hear the National Anthem being played. Do you stop what you are doing, thereby likely ensuring you will not get paid for the delivery? And if so, do you stop again a few minutes later, absolutely ensuring you will not get paid, when you hear Taps played?

Talk about abstract. First off we are never 15 minutes late, we are always very early.

Second. It is not very likely that the Anthem would be played during a time when we would be loading or unloading. It is normally only played once at day at 8AM and they won't load or unload while it is being played.

We have never loaded nor unloaded near enough to a military funeral to interfere with the ceremony.

Any other time that I may hear the Anthem I am not working and render the proper salute. If I hear taps, it will be at a funeral I am attending and I render the proper salute.

 

[Turtle]

Talk about abstract. First off we are never 15 minutes late, we are always very early.

I never said late, I said behind schedule. You could have been there 8 hours early, but on this load, at the time of unloading, for whatever reasons, you are 15 minutes behind schedule.

Second. It is not very likely that the Anthem would be played during a time when we would be loading or unloading. It is normally only played once at day at 8AM and they won't load or unload while it is being played.

I didn't ask about "likely", either. This is not a normal load, it is one they would, in fact, unload while the Anthem is being played. It is that critical. Plus, the entirely of you pay depends on it.

We have never loaded nor unloaded near enough to a military funeral to interfere with the ceremony.

But you might be with this one. I didn't ask about what you have done, I asked about what you would do with this load, and only this load.

Any other time that I may hear the Anthem I am not working and render the proper salute. If I hear taps, it will be at a funeral I am attending and I render the proper salute.

Great. Now that we've gone though all the deflections and reasons why you think my hypothetical shouldn't be answered, the question remains, in the end, unanswered, which is exactly what I expected.

 

[clcooper]

I don't know, when ever I am on a military base, or at a function where "Taps" or the Anthem is played, I stop what I am doing and provide the proper display of respect. I come to attention and salute, whether I am part of the ceremony or not. It is called showing courtesy for others. Strange concept these days.

The Hawaii 5-0 crew was doing their job . because they work for a business and we all know businesses are above every thing because they are in business to make a profit . any way they can . even if showing courtesy to others will stop them from makinfg a profit.

yes there are strange concepts these days

 

[layoutshooter]

I never said late, I said behind schedule. You could have been there 8 hours early, but on this load, at the time of unloading, for whatever reasons, you are 15 minutes behind schedule.

I didn't ask about "likely", either. This is not a normal load, it is one they would, in fact, unload while the Anthem is being played. It is that critical. Plus, the entirely of you pay depends on it.

But you might be with this one. I didn't ask about what you have done, I asked about what you would do with this load, and only this load.

Great. Now that we've gone though all the deflections and reasons why you think my hypothetical shouldn't be answered, the question remains, in the end, unanswered, which is exactly what I expected.

But Turtle, the load can not ever happen. It is beyond hypothetical.

SO:

Yeah I would salute. GEEZ.

I don't normally expect such stuff from you. In a mood today are you? Have a nice day! OR as the "Great Playdough" once said: "Skinny eight and two is ten". Words of wisdom for all to behold.

 

[Turtle]

So you would stop, salute, and give up all the run pay. Got it.

My point is, the 5-0 crew was not part of the ceremony, the director of the cemetery is the one who set both events up, and the 5-0 crew can't stop to be a part of the ceremony because then their own schedule would be ruined. Even the event organizer noted that the veterans fought to give the film crew the right to film there that day, but than at the same time was offended they would do so. They were outrage that a film crew would set up on the graves, despite having explicit permission from the director of the cemetery to do so, and despite this not being the first time such permission was given to film crews. This appears to be nothing more than a case of overly sensitive hurt feelings and the resulting fake outrage.

If people are actually sincere with the whole "we fought to give you the right to do this" crap, then they should be proud, not insulted, when people exercise and enjoy that right. But they're not sincere about it, because they only invoke the phrase when they aren't revered as royalty, or jaw-dropping heroes, or gods, you know, when their feelings get hurt.

 

[clcooper]

Sounds good in the abstract. But let's say you are on a military base to make a WG delivery. You have one hour to unload your truck, and you are already 15 minutes behind schedule. If you fail to have the truck unloaded on time you will not get paid for the ridiculously overcompensated 2000 mile run for $6500 that got you there. As you are feverishly unloading delicate cargo, there, suddenly, off in the distance, you hear the National Anthem being played. Do you stop what you are doing, thereby likely ensuring you will not get paid for the delivery? And if so, do you stop again a few minutes later, absolutely ensuring you will not get paid, when you hear Taps played?

try driveing on Fort Hood when the reveille and retreat times . the MPs will stop you .

 

[layoutshooter]

Well Turtle, I gave up any chance of ever retiring for my beliefs. That is what people who have the courage of their convictions do. I realize that concept is looked at as foolish and out of date these days. but, no on ever said I was smart or current so it works fine for me.

As to that film crew. Common courtesy goes a long way. I would know better than to attempt to film in a military cemetery, in Hawaii, on December 7th. But that's just me, silly taking other's feelings into consideration.

 

[Turtle]

As to that film crew. Common courtesy goes a long way. I would know better than to attempt to film in a military cemetery, in Hawaii, on December 7th. But that's just me, silly taking other's feelings into consideration.

See? You keep trying to put this on the film crew, and leave the retired Marine Colonel, who was in charge of the cemetery and set it all up, completely out of it.

 

[layoutshooter]

See? You keep trying to put this on the film crew, and leave the retired Marine Colonel, who was in charge of the cemetery and set it all up, completely out of it.

Just because they were allowed did not mean that they had to do it. Why would they even ask in the first place? I don't know what restrictions the Marine Colonel was under, if he could have even stopped them if he wanted too. I would have had I been in that position but I am not.

They were rude. Permission does not change that. No common everyday courtesy. Common courtesy, an almost lost art these days. Much akin to the lack of common sense. Sad.

 

[Turtle]

They were rude. Why? Because they were even there at all? Because they failed to stop what they were doing and participate in a ceremony they were not involved in? If that's the case, then the permission to be there absolutely changes that. If you want to point at rude, then, you must point at the Director.of.the.cemetery.

Why would they even ask in the first place? Irrelevant, since their request was granted. If you don't agree with them being there, you must look to who gave them the permission to be there. You might even want to ask who was first given permission to be there, the film crew or the veterans, and then question as to why such a scheduling conflict was allowed.

I keep coming back to the utter hypocrisy of 'these people fought for your right to film here today, therefore you shouldn't film here today, so there.'