Interesting New Poll Out ...

letzrockexpress

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I think it hasn't happened yet because the average American doesn't believe it is possible. Ross Perot was on to something 20 years ago when he created the Reform Party. It really began to pick up steam until he got spooked and dropped out of the presidential race. Even though after dropping out of the race and then getting back in he still garnered a substantial amount of the vote. He did it the right way. A strong grass roots movement in every state. That is what it will take today. It can certainly be done. The political climate today is perfect for it. With the 24/7 news cycle on steroids today if one network would pick up on this kind of movement the word will get out. Personally, I think believe eventually the same problems would develop in a third party because the power brokers in the party would eventually control the candidates just as the big two do now. My feeling is a a series of grass roots movements to further Independent candidates with good ideas is the answer.
 

muttly

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There's already a third party, and fourth, fifth, etc.... ( Libertarian, Green, Constitutional, etc). The problem is Dems are all goose stepping off a cliff. The republican party is fractured with the establishment types trying to silence the common sense wing of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. I doubt there would be a consensus of a third party candidate. One merely has to offer a Ted Cruz to lead that party and some on here clamouring for a third party would say no way.
 

davekc

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We certainly need something up in Washington other than what we have.
 

letzrockexpress

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There's already a third party, and fourth, fifth, etc.... ( Libertarian, Green, Constitutional, etc). The problem is Dems are all goose stepping off a cliff. The republican party is fractured with the establishment types trying to silence the common sense wing of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. I doubt there would be a consensus of a third party candidate. One merely has to offer a Ted Cruz to lead that party and some on here clamouring for a third party would say no way.

Fortunately Ted Cruz was born in Canada so we don't have to worry about that kind of disaster...
 

purgoose10

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Fortunately Ted Cruz was born in Canada so we don't have to worry about that kind of disaster...

What's the difference between Ted Cruz and O'bama? All ya gotta do is make a birth certificate.

What's pitiful is the average person on the street can't tell you anything about what's going on.
 

davekc

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What's the difference between Ted Cruz and O'bama? All ya gotta do is make a birth certificate.

What's pitiful is the average person on the street can't tell you anything about what's going on.

I would probably add, very few likely know who Cruz is. But I digress, more may know who he is compared to Biden who hasn't been seen since the election. :D
 

RLENT

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There's already a third party, and fourth, fifth, etc.... ( Libertarian, Green, Constitutional, etc).
I think the implied premise was a competitive and viable 3rd party ... :rolleyes:

The problem is Dems are all goose stepping off a cliff.
If you think that is the only problem - or even that that is precisely "the problem" - then I'd suggest you put down that special sauce you seem to be consuming ...

There is plenty of dissent and division within the Democratic Party ... as the poll clearly illustrates ...

It's a nice talking point (and a self-validating one at that) ... but it doesn't encompass the totality of reality ...

FWIW, the Republican Party also has certainly been capable of their very own brand of goose-stepping ...

The republican party is fractured with the establishment types trying to silence the common sense wing of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.
The Republican party is in the midst of an all out war for it's very soul.

IMHO, it isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be above ...

There is division amongst the socons, neocons, fiscal conservatives, and libertarian-leaning members. It isn't a completely black and white issue - with only two camps.

I doubt there would be a consensus of a third party candidate.
That depends entirely on what the perceived credibility is of a potential candidate, as well as exactly what his or her platform is.

Consensus is something that is built ... it just doesn't magically happen ...

One merely has to offer a Ted Cruz to lead that party and some on here clamouring for a third party would say no way.
So ?

You believe that it is necessary to obtain the support of everyone that is dissatisfied with either the Republicans or Democrats in order for such a party to be viable ?

Personally I have some very serious concerns about Cruz myself in several areas: his connection to Goldman-Sachs and the Bush family, foreign policy, and Israel to name but a few ...
 

Turtle

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As the famous philosopher Lewis Black noted, the Democratic party is the Party of No Ideas, and the Republican party is the Party of Bad Ideas. They way it works is, a Republican stands up and says, "I've got a really bad idea!" and then a Democrat stands up and says, "And I can make it even crappier!"
 

muttly

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Like I said no consensus. As evident by the following posts. Lent I know the various factions in the republican party. Its rather obvious to anyone paying attention. Yes I know, you view Cruz as a neocon. Like I said Dems are lock stepped united. The only dissent I see from members of that party is that socialism isn't going fast enough for them.The republican establishment types won't go for a third party because they are the establishment. That leaves tea party movent and some libertarians in party. Not enough votes even if you got them all which you won't because they don't agree.
 

muttly

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Little perplexed by the OP's statement about 'turning this country around'. Wwwhhat? Barry and the Dems got everything they wanted 5 years ago. He got reelected with the OP authors endorsement. One merely has to keep trying to destroy the republican party and the socialists can continue on their death march. Yet now you say the country needs to right the ship. Hehe. What a hoot.
 

muttly

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Why don't you suggest some 'viable' alternatives to see if there is any consensus on here? At least three please.
 

Turtle

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The only viable alternative is someone who isn't a left-wing liberal Democrat or a right-wing conservative Republican, since both of these extremes have shown themselves to be corrupt and inept. Both have a vision of fantasy which has never worked in reality. It won't be a name that comes from either party so that one party or the other can support them, it'll be a name that rises from the ashes that the people can support. It always is.
 

muttly

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LOL ... yeah ...

Just wait and see how quickly the hypocrites go "double-standard" on that one ...

Well Cruz did confirm he was born in Canada while Barry lied that he was born in Kenya.. There is a difference.
 

RLENT

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Like I said no consensus.
No ... it isn't like "you said" ...

Actually based on what you said, the implication would be that no consensus is even possible ...

I'll let you dwell in what must be a considerable amount of cognitive dissonance ... given the ramifications of the very existence of the two major parties ... both of which contain significant amounts of dissidents and people that don't agree with all of the two parties's positions ...

As evident by the following posts.
Did you actually mean preceding posts ?

Lent I know the various factions in the republican party. Its rather obvious to anyone paying attention.
Well, that you didn't bother to include them in your analysis says a little something now doesn't it ?

I dunno about you, but personally I feel that understanding is gained by peeling back the layers of the onion to understand all the discrete factors involved in any given situation ... rather than adopting some simplistic premise that glosses over said factors ...

Yes I know, you view Cruz as a neocon.
ROTFLMAO ...

I do, do I ?

Again with the simplistic rendering ...

Keep up the good work there with the deep thoughts Jack Handy ...

Like I said Dems are lock stepped united.
A (right) wingnut viewpoint ...

Stop sucking down the sauce ...

The only dissent I see from members of that party is that socialism isn't going fast enough for them.
Proof that you really aren't looking ... or just aren't very skilled at objective, balanced research ...

Try being a little bold and poking around in some places where they aren't quite as self-validating and doesn't feed your own confirmation biases ...

It won't kill ya.

The republican establishment types won't go for a third party because they are the establishment.
Now that one is pure genius ... :rolleyes:

That leaves tea party movent and some libertarians in party.
Again, overly simplistic ... but I do have to give you credit: you've managed to at least bring yourself up to the point of recognizing the matter isn't strictly binary ...

Keep plugging away - you may eventually get there ...

Not enough votes even if you got them all which you won't because they don't agree.
Oh ... now I get it: you're terrified of the idea that there could be a third party, based on a consensus between independents, republicans, and democrats ...

I'm sure it's just utterly terrifying for you ... don't worry though - I'll bet that you do have some company ... and someone to hold your hand and reassure you in the more frightening moments ...

In fact, I'm sure that LDB or maybe the Turkey Choker will be along any minute now to poo-poo the whole idea ...
 
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RLENT

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The only viable alternative is someone who isn't a left-wing liberal Democrat or a right-wing conservative Republican, since both of these extremes have shown themselves to be corrupt and inept. Both have a vision of fantasy which has never worked in reality.
Likely so.

It won't be a name that comes from either party so that one party or the other can support them, it'll be a name that rises from the ashes that the people can support. It always is.
You're second person I know that has offered this conclusion in the last 24 hours ...

It would not surprise me at all if it ultimately turned out to be true.
 

RLENT

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Little perplexed by the OP's statement about 'turning this country around'.
Not entirely surprising ... given the rather simplistic thought process you seem to be inclined to be using ...

Wwwhhat? Barry and the Dems got everything they wanted 5 years ago. He got reelected with the OP authors endorsement.
Bit of a stretch wouldn't you say ?

Of course, you're not exactly known for your candor now are you ?

One merely has to keep trying to destroy the republican party and the socialists can continue on their death march.
The Republican Party is destroying itself ... it needs no additional help from anyone.

Yet now you say the country needs to right the ship.
Said it then, still saying it now.

Hehe. What a hoot.
Nah ... what's really a hoot is your thought process ... and the analysis and conclusions that flow from it ...
 

muttly

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The fact remains that the OP author readily endorsed a President that has in his first term has trashed the contitution, damaged this country and in his second term continued the assault and you voted for that. Now you want to 'right the ship'.Congrats . That's pure genius.
Not terrified of third party at all.Not even a republican. Still waiting for some names to see if a consensus can be reached in here. I gave you a name and you shot it down. Your turn.
 

davekc

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Likely so.


You're second person I know that has offered this conclusion in the last 24 hours ...

It would not surprise me at all if it ultimately turned out to be true.

I hope the next one is someone we don't know. Another recent poll from ABC was something like 70 percent hate republicans and 65 percent hate democrats. Have to allow for some variance considering it is ABC but the time certainly seems right for a third party.
 
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