I Like Mike Huckabee

ACE

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After watching and reading items on different canidates. I have decided to support Mike Huckabee in his bid to run for President.

My reasoning for this is that he is a Conservative in supporting the Constitution. I like that he believes in his principals and is not swayed by polls or focus groups. He grew up not being in the privelage class and I feel he understands the hardships that are faced by the middle class.

I like that he has gained attention by not having the most money or the largest campaign staff. His message is feeding his popularity.

His message creates dialogue with in the Republican Party which will help the party to become stronger. The Wall street and Beltway Republicans are hearing from the people who they count on for election victories but forget about after the election.
 

Tennesseahawk

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What I see from Huckabee is that he is a social liberal. Also, his stance as governor was if Arkansas needed something, the way to get the money was to raise taxes, not cut spending.

Here is my big problem with Huck. He wears his religion on his sleeve. Not like Romney, who governs with the wisdom his faith has granted him. Huck seems that he'll govern according to his beliefs, regardless of his fiscal responsibilities. Case in point: No the illegals should not be here. But since they are, they are God's children and we have an obligation to take care of them. NO WE DON'T! What's God's is God's and what's America's is America's. And these kids aren't America's!!!

What you want to believe is a conservative, Ace, maybe a media who wants him to get the nomination, and therefore, won't show his shortcomings until the general election. Believe me... Huckabee WILL LOSE! He will end up turning conservatives off with his "charitable" mindset. Independants will not vote for a Republican tax raiser. He will simply fall on his face.

Look deeper into what he did in Arkansas, and you should understand what kind of governor he was; and what kind of president he will be. I think you'll change your opinion of him.

-A bore is a person who opens his mouth and puts his feats in it. - Henry Ford
 

Pilgrim

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I like him too, on the surface. However, my friends in Ark. tell me he was indeed not bashful about raising taxes and his position allowing tuition breaks and other benefits for illegals is really troublesome. Couple that with his obvious weakness on foreign affairs and he starts to become a personable guy without substantial qualifications. On the other hand, Obama is a personable guy without ANY qualifications and look where he is. When you look at the other major Republican candidates, they too have a history of social liberalism in some areas. It's frustrating to have to choose from the lesser of the evils, but even Ron Paul would be better than Hillary or Obama.
 

Tennesseahawk

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But we don't need another president who will push an immigration "reform" bill. The ppl have spoken. Amnesty is NOT an option.

-A bore is a person who opens his mouth and puts his feats in it. - Henry Ford
 

arkjarhead

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Huckabee wasn't that bad of a gov. imo. He wasn't the greatest we've ever had either. He won't carry Ark but neither did Bill. He was a minister before he got into politics. Here's what I think as a citizen of the Great State of Arkansas.

He didn't do the school system any justice. The state was sue by a small school distric, Lakeview, because of the way money was distributed to the schools. The schools were getting so many dollars per student. Their complaint was the smaller schools were barely getting enough money to stay open, but the big schools had a surplus. Huckabee answer for this was consloidation. If a school had less than 350 students they got shut down. The school my sistr and brother went to had above average test scores, and low violence based on the state average. Their school got shut down now they go to a school where the test scores are lower and the violence is higher based on the average.

Huckabee also a record of pardoning criminals. He released one convict from prison who had raped a girl. Then when he was out on parole a police officer evidently went to his house and castrated him. My uncle was the assitant cheif of this police force. He was accused by the guy for having castrated him. After this the guy went to Mo. and kidnapped and killed a girl. My incle hates Huckabee.

Huckabee isn't scared to sign a death warrant. Isn't one to give a stay of execution. He takes of business when it comes to that. After the above incident I don't think he has pardoned anyone. He just signs the warrant. He's pro death penalty, pro gun ownership, and anti abortion.

He has implimented many health programs in the schools as well. He tried to make the kids in the state healthier. I think that is a good thing. He got diabetes and lost a lot of weight. Then he put in the health measures which seem to be a good deal.

He holds people accountable. You won't have to worry about alot of scandal if he becomes president. He has my vote. When I look at all the pros and cons and what I've seen out of him I would much rather have him than I would a lot of the others.
 

Tennesseahawk

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>Huckabee wasn't that bad of a gov. imo. He wasn't the
>greatest we've ever had either. He won't carry Ark but
>neither did Bill. He was a minister before he got into
>politics. Here's what I think as a citizen of the Great
>State of Arkansas.

Wasn't that bad of a governor? Ok... what does that mean? Did he do 50% of his job right? 60%? 70%?

>He didn't do the school system any justice. The state was
>sue by a small school distric, Lakeview, because of the way
>money was distributed to the schools. The schools were
>getting so many dollars per student. Their complaint was the
>smaller schools were barely getting enough money to stay
>open, but the big schools had a surplus. Huckabee answer for
>this was consloidation. If a school had less than 350
>students they got shut down. The school my sistr and brother
>went to had above average test scores, and low violence
>based on the state average. Their school got shut down now
>they go to a school where the test scores are lower and the
>violence is higher based on the average.

IMO, that's just dumb!

>Huckabee also a record of pardoning criminals. He released
>one convict from prison who had raped a girl. Then when he
>was out on parole a police officer evidently went to his
>house and castrated him. My uncle was the assitant cheif of
>this police force. He was accused by the guy for having
>castrated him. After this the guy went to Mo. and kidnapped
>and killed a girl. My incle hates Huckabee.
>
>Huckabee isn't scared to sign a death warrant. Isn't one to
>give a stay of execution. He takes of business when it comes
>to that. After the above incident I don't think he has
>pardoned anyone. He just signs the warrant. He's pro death
>penalty, pro gun ownership, and anti abortion.

Makes sense. Pardon a bad person, then forego all pardons when he screws up... regardless if they're innocent or unjustly sentenced.

>He has implimented many health programs in the schools as
>well. He tried to make the kids in the state healthier. I
>think that is a good thing. He got diabetes and lost a lot
>of weight. Then he put in the health measures which seem to
>be a good deal.

Not his job as governor or as president to "make the kids healthier". Just because he was unhealthy and suffered for it doesn't give him the right to make ppl less stupid.

>He holds people accountable. You won't have to worry about
>alot of scandal if he becomes president. He has my vote.
>When I look at all the pros and cons and what I've seen out
>of him I would much rather have him than I would a lot of
>the others.

From what I hear, there are NO scandals to hit Romney on. It's laughable to imagine him to be in the same sentence with scandal. Maybe we won't have to worry about scandal with Huckabee. But everything I've been reading and hearing, it'll just be more of the same... kiss the arse of the lazy and raise the taxes on the working class to put more money in failings like the education system. Not to mention this guy will get eaten for lunch... on both sides of the isle. I will not vote for him, no matter who he's running against. I'd rather vote for Comrade Coco-puff!

-A bore is a person who opens his mouth and puts his feats in it. - Henry Ford
 

arkjarhead

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Well I'd rather have Huckabee over Hilary or Obama anyday. I'm surprised to see he's actually doing as well as he has been. I think the media wants him to get the nomination. I mean they are historicly liberal democrats. I could see them staying off of a weak reobulicans case so he could get the nom. then when he's running against Hilary they will attack the already weak republican to give hil an easier win. Politics is a big game anyway.

Here's why I said he wasn't so bad. Yes he did so dumb stuff. Like the school conslidation. Helping to implement the better health education was a good move weather it was his job or not he did it and it worked out great. That's a problem alot of people have these days. They see something needs to be done but don't do anything about because "That's not my job". Mike Huckabee has helped bring a lot of new jobs to the state. Especially the delta which has gotten the short end of the stick for quite a while. I don't see him sending so much money overseas. I think he would he be the kind of President that would try and keep some jobs in the States that keep going overseas. Then again that may not be the President's job, but T-Hawk aren't you from Michigan? Didn't a lot of jobs that used to done by the people of your state get sent overseas? I feel like if the big men from the big three would have been meeting with Mike as president he would be talking very seriously about not moving jobs overseas, and he would convince those guys to keep those jobs here.Heck he's convinced companies from overseas to bring jobs to Arkansas.Of course in Arkansas factories people don't paid over 20 bucks an hour to hold a broom. You think he's very relaxed on illegal immigration. He really not. No one in our state is. We don't really have that much of problem with it around here because so many people won't give them jobs. If you want to have a president that's more concerned with helping America instead of Africa he's the man for the job.

Something else all politians believe in taxes. That's what pays their wages. Arkansas has had a surplus in the state for a while. He repealled a few taxes while in office. Like the grocery tax that Bill helped put in place.

Never did I say he quit giving stays of execution and pardons just not that many. He made a mistake and started looking closer at things before he made a decsion. He's an all around good guy. One thing he hasn't been caught in is a lie. So either he's honest, or he's a really good liar.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Ark...Hawk and some others here have a problem with social programs. The U.S. is so far behind the rest of the world in this respect. I would call Hawk and the others "The Old American Style" where nothing changes and everything stays the same.
JMO..The U.S has to get out of other countries business and keep the troops at home and TRIM the military budget. Next cut foreign aid it's a crock anyways and use all this saved taxpayer money to invest in the U.S. infrastructure.
The U.S. IMO has a goal of world domination, they always have to be front and center everywhere. Why? And look at the cost to the working grunt just trying to raise a family and lead a good life. Don't get me wrong the U.S. is still one of the greatest countries to live, but just like all countries it has it's own internal problems.
And I am all for Canada annexing Michigan some day and we'll give ya Quebec in exchange! (for Greg)*L*
 

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I just happened to get a link to this article in one of my newsreaders. I have no idea how accurate or inaccurate it is but here it is for what it's worth.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/

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greg334

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Honestly guys, there really is not one republican that I can get behind.

Not one of them has really showed or presented a plan, not one of them has said that the Republican Party is lost and here is how to fix it, not one has said I am for this and this alone. They all have been worried about negative ads, raising money and so on for the primaries.

OVM,
The issue with social programs is that we are in America, we are not in Europe. There social programs are needed there because of the legacy attitude that comes from the imperial age where the ruler took care of the people. Here we broke from the English and had to be independent.

If you read the forgotten man (by Amity Shlaes) you will see where the problems we have today came from. The book explains a lot of things and removes the blame of the depression off of the back of Hoover and illustrates the real causes and the further failures of the FDR administration to stop the depression. In addition it makes the entire bigger picture clear and sums it up to the point that IF FDR didn’t raise taxes, didn’t start using deficit spending and didn’t try to micromanage business the depression would have ended a lot sooner than the war.

Follow this up with the study of poverty in the 50’s and 60’s that brought on the biggest mess this country has ever seen – the great society.

See before the advent of FDR’s programs, most relief was not government run, it came from people. With disasters like San Francisco, the great floods of the Mississippi and other disasters, relief did not come form the feds but from other people. Ford, Pullman and a lot of others did a lot of social welfare work under the auspices of welfare capitalism, this worked to a point but when FDR took over and pretty much killed things for us, we had a major divide now between labor, companies and the rest of the populations and the start of class warfare in the open.

All of this took the independence away from the American social fabric and replaced with programs like Social Security and welfare where the state now takes care of people at the expense of others. Just an FYI here the biggest cost of jobs through economics is the debt we carry for Social Security and I strongly feel that we need to phase it out completely for people of my age and younger. This is not our money, the courts already ruled that the money we put into the system, we are not entitled to.

If you really want to see a real change and more prosperity – Fair Tax.

http://www.fairtax.org.

Anyway back to the subject, not one republican I see has any independent spirit to get my vote at this time and I think between Hillary and Obama, they will be on the defensive right from the start and the issues will be ignored.
 

Tennesseahawk

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>Ark...Hawk and some others here have a problem with social
>programs. The U.S. is so far behind the rest of the world in
>this respect. I would call Hawk and the others "The Old
>American Style" where nothing changes and everything stays
>the same.

The rest of the world? Maybe we're so far behind in this respect BECAUSE the rest of the world is so far behind us in others. When "nothing changes and everything stays the same", you get innovation. When the government doesn't interfere with developement, you get inventions like computers, cell phones, programming advances, medical achievements, drug advances, etc. It's easy to say we're behind a world where the majority of the social-heavy countries rest on their laurels and feed off our country technologically. The "Old American Style" has led the world in all economic indicators for the longest time. We prefer to call it "Free Market Style" and "Holding to our Constitution". If social programs work so well, why are very liberal European countries like France and Denmark steering toward conservative reforms? Because the majority of the working ppl there are tired of footing the bill for freeloaders.

>JMO..The U.S has to get out of other countries business and
>keep the troops at home and TRIM the military budget. Next
>cut foreign aid it's a crock anyways and use all this saved
>taxpayer money to invest in the U.S. infrastructure.

As far as trimming our military, I'd say we don't need to. Our military budget compared to our GNP is less than most other countries. Clinton trimmed the military to the extreme, and it showed during Desert Storm. As far as foriegn aid and staying out of other countrys' business, please direct that remark to the UN... not us. The UN pushes us to be involved with other countries. We're first on the scene when there's a disaster. We're first called on when a dictator threatens world peace. If it were up to me, Bosnia would've been just a European problem. Somalia would've been just an African problem. We are the world police because we are EXPECTED to be!

> The U.S. IMO has a goal of world domination, they always
>have to be front and center everywhere. Why? And look at the
>cost to the working grunt just trying to raise a family and
>lead a good life. Don't get me wrong the U.S. is still one
>of the greatest countries to live, but just like all
>countries it has it's own internal problems.
> And I am all for Canada annexing Michigan some day and
>we'll give ya Quebec in exchange! (for Greg)*L*

Front and center everywhere... If you're compaining, again, I say tell the UN.

The working grunt has far more options in this country than in the rest of the world. And I'm not talking about socialist programs. Leading a good life still results from two things: How do you define "good", and how hard you are willing to work for it.

No thanx! We don't want Quebec. How bout we just give you Detroit and call it even? We'll even throw in Comrade Cocopuff, since she's yours anyways! :)

I have one thing to add about immigration. Generations past, those wanting to come to the US would assimilate. Those wanting a piece of their home country would start with themselves, and make their home the center of their heritage. Now, ppl come here and DEMAND US to conform to THEIR ethnicities! Legislation from the bench helps their agenda.

All I have to say is... "For English, press 1. For any other language, call back when you can press 1."



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RichM

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Ken aka OVM You know the Ambassador Bridge is a 2 way operation. You can always renounce your US citzenship that you just obtained and return to the land of taxes.
 

ACE

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Hello T-HAWK,

I feel that Huckabee has a better understanding of what the working class goes through. I believe that he would appoint conservatives to the Supreme Court. Not sure if Romney would do this. Huckabee has received the endorsement from the Leader of the Minutemen and he must believe that Huckabee is strong on illegal imigration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvsf8uCcYxI&feature=related

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OntarioVanMan

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Outch Rich! I guess only Americans can critize themselves? Why is that? Everytime I say something someone jumps in and tells me to leave...Because I have an opinion some don't like to hear? I've spent 55 years watching America from the outside looking in...You'd think some would be more curious to what outsiders see. But I am going to stick it out here cuzz I got grit and try to be a good citizen.

BTW...My opinion might be wrong or bent, BUT I leave it up to you guys to educate me otherwise in a polite way.

Land of Taxes??? Federal tax, State tax, county tax, city tax!! Toll roads galore... Don't even go there! Your catching up to Canada and have little to show for it.
 

greg334

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OMG OVM, I think it is great you can bring a Canadian perspective to this mess we call the US.

The only thing is we, the US, needs to do is go back to the promotion of a progressive agenda (real progressive agenda) that was pro-business and pro-citizen to really solve these problems. If we follow Europe with their 'social' programs and their EU attitude, we will end up with more Medicare part 'D' messes that will hurt more people then we would actually helping people.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Well Greg..I am glad to see you can see where I am coming from...Kinda like Thru the Looking Glass. Sometimes one has to take a step back and try to see what others see...I've been watching you guys for along time...I don't say all things are bad..just somethings need work. I'll included here so does Canada. Which BTW is the very same thing that you guys here say BUT I tend to be hung on the cross because I am not one of you's. I am literally told to put up or shut-up or get out. I repeat..Iam NOT your normal immigrant. I didn't come from a poor country or war torn nor a dictatorship. I am not here for a better life..I am just continueing my life in a land equal to my own. I love it here...just sometimes I think there are subtle differences...can't put my finger on it.

BTW...Greg do you mean like turn back the clock to just before all this mess started and get it right? To stay with the original American values and beliefs and stick with them?
 

greg334

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OVM,
Ok here is what I really think, Canada and the US has two things that we have as a common bond, language and our history. Taking in account that no other country has stayed steadfast to the mother country as we have, there seems to be a strength between us, the UK, Canada and Australia that helps shape our attitudes towards each other. There is an interesting book that I got a third of a way through - A History of the English-Speaking Peoples Since 1900, by Andrew Roberts. It really puts into perspective what we are all doing together and how we got here.

I like Canada, I like going there and meeting people (yes even in Quebec):) I don’t seem to have the problems others have over there, most likely because I have relatives on all sides of my family either from there, living there or moved there.

OVM, I think you are the typical immigrant, don’t take this wrong but it truly is a compliment. You have not sought out social services, you didn’t come here by invading the country and you want to assimilate (or I think you do) into the culture. This to me is following my grandparents and their parents here, those who were sponsored, worked hard and fulfilled the true American dream by obtaining opportunity and freedoms – something that they did not have where they came from. They by the way came from a country that practiced a form of serfdom or indenture servitude. They were tied to the land and the master they served and my maternal grandfather had to get permission to come here by the aristocracy of area, I have the original letter requesting it and the reply from a baron granting him permission.

I have traveled to other countries, many of them I never told or posted, but the one place that really impacted me is Africa. I have been to almost 15 counties and want to return. This is a place where killing and death is culturally driven, where slavery truly exists, where there is no women’s rights, no child’s rights, where we have made absolute heroes out of terrorist (Mandela) and where the riches nation on the continent is also one of the most corrupt and leftist driven and no where near a democracy it used to be. I feel for those who I saw wanted to come here to make a real life, but I also see here the people don’t understand poverty, hate, racism and how lucky they got it here.

Now to the topic, I have not seen any one candidate really come up with a plan. We need a plan to deal with Social Security and the debt that we have with the BS entitlement programs. I hear all this b*tching about Iraq and the cost of it but you know Iraq is nothing, the true debt is driven by the idea that we, the people, have to have government run the health care system, the welfare system and other means for people to be provided a life. Once that was all done by the people and the people did not fail society but society failed the people – you know what I mean.

Huck there may be a good man, may even make a good president and I don’t care what his track record was with what women in 1968 or that he freed this guy that killed that girl in 1997. What matters to me is his plan, his team and his fortitude to get things done. If he was like Bill Clinton with Arkansas, well he can stay where he is at but if he says that he has a solid plan in the first hundred days and he is going to lower taxes, close the border and he is going to find a way to improve the situation we are in with Iraq, not tell me he is going to pull the troops out, I will then listen. If he says without hesitation, he is going to free those border guards in jail on his first day, he may have my vote for that alone but truthfully, I have yet heard anyone candidate with a spine say that – no bollocks at all.

By the way - People vote with their pocket book, not their moral compass. I don’t care what anyone says, it is about the money and FDR proved that. Tell me that the guy has a plan to get the fair tax passed, that would be a guaranteed win for anyone who wants to really win.

I think, it may have been Neal Boortz or even Glenn Beck or even Al Franken who said that it would be ‘great to get rid of these B*** S*** debates and talk to the American people like American people’ – just the candidates with a list of subjects sitting down and talking to each other for two hours, what a concept. Debates are for idiots and losers and don’t really say a thing about the candidate unless you understand debates.

“BTW...Greg do you mean like turn back the clock to just before all this mess started and get it right? To stay with the original American values and beliefs and stick with them?â€

What I mean is that we need to rid ourselves of this dependency of the government to do for us what we can do for ourselves. Before FDR, we had problems, we had true poverty but we didn’t have a system where we told people that it was the rich guy’s fault that you didn’t have enough money to feed your kids. Now we hear that all the time, it is part of the propaganda of class warfare.

In reality we have a huge problem with social security that can’t be fixed and this is where the biggest failure of FDR’s administration was. We can’t really come up with a way to fix it other then phasing it out. But the problem is if we phase it out, what will happen to all the retired idiots of my age who never saved?

Well the solution is the Fair Tax, as stupid as it sounds it makes more sense to go and change something that was an experiment to begin with and let the workers have their money. I know that there are issues with this form of taxes but from my point of view, the one third of everything I make goes right to taxes and combined with my wife’s income, we actually pay out somewhere in the area of 51%. This does not mean I don’t get some back but it means that this money is taken out of my hands and I can not invest it or make it work for me by helping me improve things to make more money – make sense?

Taking this one issue off the table, simplifying investments to the point where you don’t have to worry about taxes and capital gains and holding an investment for X months and so on, allows you to build your retirement up and hence there is no need for SS. For those who can’t figure out what the do for retirement, well there are people who can help with that. I think, honestly this will only work if there is a mandate to have a retirement account, not a tax but proof of one somehow.

Well I am done rambling now, time to go on to something else and bore more people.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Ontario just excluded RRSP's...like your 401ks and things like that ...from bankruptcy claims. In other words made them exempt untouchable should one go bankrupt..the bill even has the support of the banking world. This should encourage more interest for people to save for retirement not having to worry that thier savings for retirement would get wiped out.
 
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