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[JustUsTrucking]

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

I Thought you might appreciate this . . .

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about
20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. >From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:

List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'.

Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.

 

[LDB]

What could be clearer or plainer and yet the liberals believe you solve problems not by punishing the criminals but by legislating against the honest citizens. Any Australian wondering why the crime rate is up, if they honestly don't know, falls under a very simple and precise label. Fool. If there were a term to define one as more stupid it would apply but I know of nothing worse than a fool. This is so crystal clear and yet so indiscernible to the damaged mind of a liberal. I fear that in my children's lifetime they will cease to be citizens and expect it during my grandchildrens lifetime.

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[greg334]

“In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about
20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.â€

Well this is sort of incorrect. Lenin started disarming with the Red Terror campaign in 1918 but used the Cheka during and right after the revolution to start disarming the land owners and villagers who were of the elite class. And not to forget the Tambov Rebellion, the labor camps and summary executions of 1919-1922. In December of ’22 with the treaty to create the Soviet Union, there was a push to shift some of the control from the remaining villagers to the peasants in the village and this is where real blood baths took place from the peasants being armed, the elite class being disarmed and the peasants taking revenge. This was short lived because in ’24 when Stalin came to power, he just simply took everything away from the peasants and shot them all – solving any problems that he could think of for his first changes in the structure of the country.

“In 1911, Turkey established gun control. >From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.â€

Gun control in Turkey had little to do with this. The Armenian Holocaust was a religious war more or less and went back to the Armenian massacre of 1894 to 1909 by Sultan Abdul Hamid II which was caused by the previous political moves of Russia trying to make gains after the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78 and ignoring the treaty of Berlin.

“Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.â€

It seems like everyone likes to use this analogy when in fact there is only a partial truth to it. Germany previously had a very strict gun control laws – from 1919 to 1928. It was not only a confiscation of fire arms of any sort but also real jail time. But in 1928 they removed most of the restrictions from the 1919 law and moved to a more progressive gun control structure for the country. In 1938, they actually improved on some areas of the 1928 law, one was removing restrictions on long guns and the other is to extend carry permits from one year to three years.

BUT they of course added the Jewish laws into the act, first restricting the manufacture of arms and ammunition by Jews (which was odd they left two parts manufactures alone for the duration of the war who were Jewish) and later on Frick, the Minister of the Interior added the provisions the no Jew is allowed to own or possess a firearm of any sort.

The sad thing is, about Germany that is, there was already a purge going on. With the use of the concentration camps, those being Dachau (1933), Sachsenhausen (1936), Buchenwald (1937) before the 1938 gun control laws because of the Nuremberg Laws of 1935, Germany was being cleaned up group by group. We, the allies who knew about all of this, ignored Eichmann and others who tried to bargain with Churchill and Roosevelt over selling the Jews but neither wanted them.

So in those cases, there is a lot to be said about the government but truthfully if you want good examples of repressive gun control laws, look at Africa - Egypt, Darfur, Somalia just to name a few.

 

[JustUsTrucking]

My numbers may be off a little but we can agree gun control is not a good thing. Even here in the states that have concealed carry permits or just plain carry permits (depends on which state you look at) cases of violent crime have been reduced by a very significant number.

 

[dpea9]

Like I have been saying all along.

Its not gun control
Its people control

 

[riverrat2000]

greg it isn't that the facts may be a little off, the sentiment is DEAD on

 

[greg334]

Yes I agree, but the thing is if were continue not to use correct facts, the point gets lost when they are repeated and repeated and repeated - hence the small but as accurate correction.

 

[arkjarhead]

There is only one way the government will take a gun from me, and that's to pry it from my cold,dead hands. I'm not going to leave my family defenseless. I personally think it's bs that commercial drivers can't carry a pistol for thier own protection. I would be willing to bet money if those senators rode with a driver to some of those neighborhoods I've had to deliver to they would be all for it.

 

[greg334]

arkjarhead,
I agree with you "I personally think it's bs that commercial drivers can't carry a pistol for thier own protection." but the problem is what I have seen with the attitude of some of these drivers, the fights I have seen and the problem that are being created in trucking by reaching the bottom of the barrel to put someone in the driver's seat, I really think it is best not to have anyone armed at this point. It is not like the old days.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

In the good ole days 2 drivers would just have a punch out in the lot and go have coffee after that all things settled...
with some of to-days crappy drivers they'd prolly shoot ya in the back!

 

[arkjarhead]

My grandpaw used to keep a six shooter in his sleeper. I had an old hand tell me one time that when the strikes were going on back in the 70's he carried a sawed off 12 gauge on his dash. I've never carried a gun, but I have always made sure my tire thumper was in hands reach. Some of these guys you see out there, especially with some of the meagcarriers, you wonder why anyone would trust them with a high dollar piece of equipment. Then people wonder why the public looks down on drivers. Look at some of these guys you see in the truckstop. And it's some of them all. Expediters,tankers,dry vans, and flatbedders.You seem some of everyone walking around just looking nasty and unkept. It's ok to have facial hair, but keep it trimmed. I don't know why some of these guys think you aren't a real trucker unless you have greasy hair,dirty wrinkled clothes, ad stink to high heavens. What's wrong with wearing pressed clothes, good looking boots, and a clean hat. My dad told me we shouldv'e started policeing ourselves back in the 70's and 80's and maybe we wouldn't have some of this trash trash out here driving turcks.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

an old saying: Dress for success.

or

You are what you eat!

 

[LDB]

Anyone with a valid CHL should be allowed to carry. Everyone without should be prohibited. That would take care of the major portion of the problem of the disparity in individuals driving. I've considered it but it's useless unless it's at hand. Anywhere I could put one well enough concealed to only be "visible" to a dog would be too inconvenient to be of any use. It's no wonder I loathe the majority of elected and appointed officials.

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[arkjarhead]

CHL that Concealed Handgun Liscense correct? The problem with that is some state don't respect other states handgun permits. I know no one respects Mississippi's.

 

[LDB]

That's it and it should be a background check and a proficiency check that gets you national recognition as authorized to carry anywhere in the United States. I'd probably set up at least two proficiency levels and those at the highest level would be authorized to carry on any U.S. airline as well.

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[OntarioVanMan]

Don't individual states have their own laws, rules?

I've seen many a public place with notices " No Firearms"

 

[LDB]

Yes, each state has their own law on carry. In the case of Texas, they can ban it with usage of a sign with specific wording banning carry. It must have the exact wording, in specific lettering, in two languages, on one sign. Those are the places that get none of my money.

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[greg334]

Leo,
Are you serious - carrying on an airline? I think that we went overboard with the water thing and other multiple redundant time wasting over costly security checks and need to allow not only the right to carry but the right to profile.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

My little nephew out here..heir to the family ranch he's just turning 12.

Has his shooting course successfully and now gets to have his own ewe as last year he got his own calf of which he responsible for the care of both till he takes them to auction and gets paid! All things to do with calving and lambing. He's driven the combiner since he could see over the wheel and the hay baler. A proficient horse rider. All at the ripe age of 12.

What a difference in cultures out here where boys and girls are treated with the same amount of respect as they earn.

He stands to shake hands and tips his hat and says ma'am and sir alot! And when momma speaks you should see him move and "yes Mom" The consequences of not doing so ...well you know..."disipline"

 

[LDB]

We certainly should carry aboard airlines, provided we meet minimum proficiency requirements. We should also profile.

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