Calif CARB Question

dlowrey · Aug 2, 2014

I am looking at a couple of used Class 8 sleeper box trucks, 2007 and 2008. There seems to be a big drop in price for these years. I need your advice.
1. Can trucks from these years be California CARB compliant? Can they be upgraded to a urea system?
2. The trucks have Cat C-13 engines and Eaton ultra shift 10 sp. Anything in particular to watch out for?

Thanks
-DL

Daffyduck528 · Aug 2, 2014

If it's a 2008 it might have a dpf in it. The dpf is carb compliant until 2023 I think. We run a 2008, but we only will run it to 2018 and it has a c13 with a dpf. In saying that the c13 with the dpf is the reason cat left the otr engine building business. It's a very expensive engine to maintain.

davekc · Aug 2, 2014

Also quite a few lawsuits involving that engine. A google search will bring some of it up. Also, I believe OOIDA has been writing information with all of it.

jjoerger · Aug 2, 2014

Get the VIN Number and have the dealer pull the records on it. See how well it's been maintained. They will be able to tell you if it is CARB compliant.

Daffyduck528 · Aug 2, 2014

Not only that but each time the dpf is messed with the ECM records it , so u can pull a ECM report and find out when it's been cleaned and such. Who are you looking at buying these from?

dlowrey · Aug 2, 2014

Stoops or Ellenbaum each have a couple of KW t600's. Not buying yet, still shopping.

Daffyduck528 · Aug 2, 2014

Gotcha. Talk to expediter services as well, they have a couple t-660's left last I checked.

dlowrey · Aug 4, 2014

Thanks for all of the info.

Another question. 2010 seems to be the tilt point for CARB compliance and reliability. Is it reasonable to try to retrofit a 2010 or later engine into a 2007 truck? I know it's not the same as swapping 327 for a 265 in an old Chevy. My question is can it done; or is it better to just buy a 2010 or newer truck?

Daffyduck528 · Aug 4, 2014

It usually can't be done. The scr system made the engine be packed in crazy so it would all fit. Also, the costs would be so crazy high you'd be crazy to do it. A dd13 complete with the scr system would be close to if not over $60,000. And that engine won't fit in a t-660 wth the scr. Not to mention the headache of when something breaks on something that heavily modified.

Daffyduck528 · Aug 4, 2014

Everyone right now is adding dpf filters only on their older trucks. I can't see how in expediting you would ever recoup that money to go into ca.

dlowrey · Aug 5, 2014

Wishful thinking, I guess. The truck I am looking at is 600k+ and I wa anticipating an inframe overhaul within the year; and thought my idea would be worth a try. I guess I'll keep looking for a truck with something other than C-13.

Thanks for all of your input.
-DL

Daffyduck528 · Aug 5, 2014

dlowrey said:
Wishful thinking, I guess. The truck I am looking at is 600k+ and I wa anticipating an inframe overhaul within the year; and thought my idea would be worth a try. I guess I'll keep looking for a truck with something other than C-13.

Thanks for all of your input.
-DL

Unless that motor has issues, I would expect u to get a lot closer to a million miles before an overhaul.

dlowrey · Aug 5, 2014

Yes, that's what I would hope. But, with the bad buzz on the C-13 and the mileage, I need to plan for it sooner than 1M. It's a balancing act ... my small budget vs new truck vs used but affordable.
-DL