I would like to see logs for vans.
Expedite companies take advantage of van drivers. I have had dispatch
inform me they only have to give me 8 hours of sleep every 24 hours, so
keep driving.
Most van drivers I have met do not understand logs or understand their
intent.
My solution when I am pushed to take a run when I've been up for 24 hours
is to ask for the safety officer.
I would like to see all commerical vans required to run DOT logs.
As a carry over from my big truck days I still run Drivers Daily Log
program.
An excellent solution. It keeps me honest and safe. Remember if anything
goes wrong it all comes back on you, the driver. Just say NO!
Of course, the black box issue is tied to the larger and seemingly no solution problems of Hours of Service, tired drivers and easily falsified log books.
Lined up in support of the EOBR's are insurance associations and groups such as Citizens for Reliable and Safe Highways (CRASH) and Parents Against Tired Truckers (PATT) that have adopted the issue of truck safety.
These and other groups say that truck drivers are under financial and administrative pressure to drive longer hours than is allowed by HOS regulations and this results in tired and dangerous drivers.
They contend that drivers themselves admit to falsifying log books to achieve those longer periods behind the wheel and increase their income. They support the EOBR's as one solution in identifying the HOS violators.
On the other side of the table are many trucking groups and organizations that say the electronic devices won't accomplish their purpose, and the proposal ignores the economic realities that virtually force drivers to put in long hours.
The history
Federal authorities have long required flight data recorders on commercial airliners to provide insight into the causes of crashes.
Airplane data recorders can store up to 25 hours of flight data that include time, acceleration, airspeed, altitude, outside and inside temperatures, engine performance and many other parameters. In all, a very technically sophisticated instrument.
EOBR's in trucks
In the question of trucking's EOBR's, the term "black box" more properly applies to those brand name on-board computers from manufacturers like Tripmaster, Qualcomm and others, all of whom offer software that can create driver logs more-or-less automatically.
Today's trucks are loaded with sensors that can record a variety of data, including truck speed, engine rpms, temperatures and just about anything that the truck experiences while rolling down the road.
EOBR's can record a driver's hours while the truck is in motion. But drivers in conventional trucking also spend long hours at loading docks, waiting for their trailers to be filled or emptied. And, something an on-board recorder can't tell is if the driver is off-duty or on-duty, not driving. The device will also have no way of knowing whether a driver is truly sleeping or on duty but not moving.
With the EOBR's, it's a simple matter for the driver to access his paperless log with a few key strokes. Some systems send log information wirelessly back to the company, which can then fax an up-to-the-minute log page to authorities, at a weigh station for example. At present, however, automated logs are rare in commercial trucking, with the exception of several companies with their own paperless logging system.
A point to consider: Drivers who have had the in-truck computer systems like Qualcomm's Omnitrak system, have been using a lower tech on-board recorder all along. By using the "macros" or canned messages available in the unit, the driver records and transmits data like arrival times, delivery times, proof of delivery and other information.
EOBR trucking history
Werner Enterprises is a truckload motor carrier of general commodities in both interstate and intrastate commerce. Based in Omaha, Nebraska, it was the first carrier in the United States to receive authorization from the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) to initiate paperless logs using satellite-based technology.
Each of the company's trucks has a Qualcomm satellite-linked keypad and screen that connects the driver and the truck to the company's operations center in Omaha. Werner began installing Qualcomm satellite connections in its trucks in 1992. In 1995, the company began testing the Paperless Log System, while continuing use of the traditional paper logbooks. In 1998, The Federal Highway Administration officially authorized the company's adoption of the Paperless Log System and the paper logs were phased out.
When a driver gets back into the cab to drive he simply pushes the "Start Drive Time" button. When he's finished driving he hits the "Stop Drive Time" button. The information is transmitted to Qualcomm in San Diego and then to Werner's computer for recording and storage.
The system has many advantages, for Werner Enterprises, its clients and the drivers. It includes GPS capability so that the truck's location is recorded as the driver information is transmitted. The information helps the company project drivers' estimated arrival times. It also helps drivers plan their trips more efficiently and improve customer service.
Because of better planning, Werners maintains, the system enables managers to preplan and assign loads based on accurate, future, and available driving hours. This, they say, allows drivers to maximize their time on the road and increase their miles rather than decreasing them.
Is it Big Brother?
The spectre of the government looking over a driver's shoulder through the EOBR is always present in a discussion of black boxes. The possibilities for even tighter control over the professional driver was presented in a Land Line magazine article.
In an a piece entitled, "The Great Black Box Debate", author Steven B. Miller said: "Now, on-board computers can record far more than merely when a truck arrived ó they can document how it was driven along the way, whether it exceeded speed limits and much more."
"Add Global Positioning System technology to that mix, and on-board computers can record where a driver has been as well as how efficiently he got there."
"Add mobile communications, and the boss can be made aware of pretty much anything he might like to know, pretty much any time he wants to know it."
Later in the article, Miller paints a dark scenario in which automated logs can be used as a "disciplinary tool." He gives several examples of how the information could be interpreted to incriminate a driver and says that a possible extension of this would be, "we'll have state troopers downloading truck data wirelessly from the side of the road, then shutting down trucks with something like a TV remote."
Some trucking companies such as JB Hunt actually favor requiring boxes, but doesn't want the data from the recorders falling into the hand of lawyers filing suits after accidents.
Other companies suggest that black boxes shouldn't be required for all carriers, but only for those that have demonstrated a history of safety violations.
Black boxes in expediting
Most experts say that if these devices are mandated, it will take years before implementation is accomplished. Of course, expediting trucks are subject to the same HOS regulations as the rest of the industry, so it's hard to imagine that the emergency freight business will get a pass.
That would be quite ironic, given expediting's safety record and the expedited carriers' strict adherence to all safety regulations.
Panther Expedited Services of Seville, Ohio has been using Qualcomm's electronic log system for two years and
the company's Director of Corporate Services, Jeff St. Pierre says, "One hundred percent of our DOT-regulated fleet is EOBR-equipped, except cargo vans, whose hours are tracked with an hours program as well.
"Paperless logs have allowed Panther to increase it's productivity and fleet utilization because we no longer have to guess about what hours are available for a driver - we now have true data."
"That's a big improvement in what a driver can and can not handle."
He continues, "Obviously, by managing hours to that degree, we've seen a fairly significant improvement in reduction of collisions, on-road accidents and safety. Because there is no way to get around the system, drivers don't feel as pressured and they slow down."
"We've had drivers who have left Panther to work with other carriers that don't use paperless logs and come back to us because they like the freedom that paperless logs offer. It's real-time info, updated to the minute so there's no catching up to do and it's pretty easy. The drivers enjoy it."
"From the company perspective, it gives us real-time management to ensure that we don't have service failures from putting drivers on loads they can't handle. It's reduced our collision frequency and severity so we have fewer claims as it relates to fatigue-related accidents."
"Initially, the paperless logs received a less than enthusiastic
reception," adds St. Pierre. "We didn't experience any turnover due to the system, but we have maybe a dozen drivers who won't use it so we audit their logs very carefully. Fortunately, these drivers are very HOS-conscious and they're "clean" on their paper logs that it doesn't present a problem."
Ken Sawyer runs a solo tractor-trailer operation with Panther Expedited Services and he says of his company's paperless log system: "I love it! I absolutely love it! I resisted it in the beginning just as I resisted Qualcomm at first."
"There have been times when I've been stuck on the Ambassador Bridge where if I had still been on paper logs, I would have been in violation before I even got to the booth.
Because it was less than 3/4 of a mile to the booth it put me on-duty but not on-duty driving. In reality, I had 11 minutes of drive time left but it took me 45 minutes to get across the bridge. The EOBR has worked out real well for me."
Bob and Linda Caffee have been part of FedEx Custom Critical's paperless log test system for close to two years and Linda Caffee states , "We were leery of it at first, but after using it this long, we like it."
"With the EOBR, if we stop at a rest area, the device gives the location and how long we stayed there and other information that makes it very easy to recap when I'm updating the paper log."
"Right now, the FedEx system is not "live" so we use the paper copies but the paper copy originates with the EOBR. It's very accurate and it records everything down to the minute. It's so simple to read, even I can figure out how to log."
Linda adds that if use of the EOBR becomes law someday, it will benefit the driver from a safety perspective: "It will be more fair to the driver because you can't fudge your hours - you won't be able to sit at the shipper's dock all day long waiting to get loaded then drive all night when you haven't had any sleep."
The Black Box - It's on the way.
Comments - Tell us what you think below
Phil
04 Feb 2009, 18:11
04 Feb 2009, 18:11
Mike
04 Feb 2009, 18:44
04 Feb 2009, 18:44
I am not sure about the black boxes I have heard some stories that they
just shut truck down when in violation. That is dangerous for many reasons
if true. I think paper logs are fine they have worked for years and years
why change?? As long as there has been rules there has been people breaking
them and thats not right but its life.If they put black boxes in there will
be someone trying to out smart it I think h.o.s. need to be put in drivers
hands and with a little COMMON SENSE the roads would be safer.
Kari Lievonen
08 Feb 2009, 09:02
08 Feb 2009, 09:02
Black Box is only half of the story of trucking and monitoring of truckers
today. Trucking was good business in old days until big companies decide to
rue it. It is perfect tool to make every one in this business legal and
honest. It can be used for monitoring drivers time wasted in unnecessary
events like ( all day long waiting in dockside to get loaded then drive all
night to meet the delivery time when you haven't had any sleep and not get
paid that time spend babysitting load over weekend.) And when delivery is
completed, all extra time and work can be billed according to this
monitoring log. Electronic On-Board Recorder (EOBR) with GPS mapping. This
is a time to start demanding a pay what thru trucker with knowledge deserve
for time spent in “load by hourly and bonus by mile”. There are no any
other industry workers who are out in working 24 hours and numerous days in
row out in road. All that will change this industry for goods. Best of all
drivers will get paid by hour like rest of this world. I know this is the
best for all truckers, get out of companies’ slavery.
ray
11 Feb 2009, 04:00
11 Feb 2009, 04:00
Ok, now that we have cut through all the wonderfull bull about eabr's lets
talk rel world use. cause i have been using on for 2 years.
yesterday, i left the house to load in atlanta. shipper took about an hour to load, and i left the shipper at 18:45 with 248 miles to get to my customer in antioch,tn for a 07:00 apointment time. my brother was visiting his children in knocksville,tn and we passed at exit 350 on i 75. we were on the cell phone you see. he wanted me to stop and have dinner with him, but i couldn't, because you gussed it, my log book. I had planed to drive to the consignee, and sleap at their facility. i estimated my time of arival for 8 hours prior to my apointment. because expediting is an on time thng. i missed dinner with family because if i arived 1 hour later, when i got unloaded, id only have a 7 hour brake. and then be forced to drive to the truckstop illigaly, and have to start my 10 hour brake all over. turning a 8 hour brake into 17. anyone else getting boared cause i sure am. no lets talk about being forced to shut down for a 2 hour brake, because when i stopped on a hot gotta go load for exactly 10 hours, the log book showed me stopped for 9 hours and 58 minuets once i started driving again. 2 hours late with delivery. guess who gets charged with a late, even when dispatch was calling asking are you olling yet at the 10 spot because i was showing a delay. last but not lest, on my dislike for the system, there is no place to input a trailer licence plate number. and because were expadite, and swap trailers a lot, when asked by the canadian scale master what the trailer licence plate was on the trailer i pulled 13 days ago was, it took me a while to recall, that i didnt work that day, and wasn't pulling a trailer. however, because i could not pull it up on the qualcom, i was given a cute little ctation, my first an years. one which i happily allowed the company to pay,because i didnt create the system.
yes, i run 100% legal, unles im at a customer who refuses to let me sleap on their property after they leave me sitting untill i run out of hours before unloading is complete. and yes i get lots and lots of rest. so some days i like it, and some days i hate it.
yesterday, i left the house to load in atlanta. shipper took about an hour to load, and i left the shipper at 18:45 with 248 miles to get to my customer in antioch,tn for a 07:00 apointment time. my brother was visiting his children in knocksville,tn and we passed at exit 350 on i 75. we were on the cell phone you see. he wanted me to stop and have dinner with him, but i couldn't, because you gussed it, my log book. I had planed to drive to the consignee, and sleap at their facility. i estimated my time of arival for 8 hours prior to my apointment. because expediting is an on time thng. i missed dinner with family because if i arived 1 hour later, when i got unloaded, id only have a 7 hour brake. and then be forced to drive to the truckstop illigaly, and have to start my 10 hour brake all over. turning a 8 hour brake into 17. anyone else getting boared cause i sure am. no lets talk about being forced to shut down for a 2 hour brake, because when i stopped on a hot gotta go load for exactly 10 hours, the log book showed me stopped for 9 hours and 58 minuets once i started driving again. 2 hours late with delivery. guess who gets charged with a late, even when dispatch was calling asking are you olling yet at the 10 spot because i was showing a delay. last but not lest, on my dislike for the system, there is no place to input a trailer licence plate number. and because were expadite, and swap trailers a lot, when asked by the canadian scale master what the trailer licence plate was on the trailer i pulled 13 days ago was, it took me a while to recall, that i didnt work that day, and wasn't pulling a trailer. however, because i could not pull it up on the qualcom, i was given a cute little ctation, my first an years. one which i happily allowed the company to pay,because i didnt create the system.
yes, i run 100% legal, unles im at a customer who refuses to let me sleap on their property after they leave me sitting untill i run out of hours before unloading is complete. and yes i get lots and lots of rest. so some days i like it, and some days i hate it.
GMS
23 Feb 2009, 18:47
23 Feb 2009, 18:47
Personally i wouldnt mind if they were to revise the hos laws simply do to
the fact that if i run 200 miles at 60 mph it is 3 and a half hours then i
deliver and go into my sleeper and take a nap 6 hours later a load comes up
that runs 6 hours well i have had pleanty of rest yet legally i cant run
the load and lose out on money. The way i see it is the paperless logs are
going to cause a spike in the price to run these shorter runs because
drivers are going to start refusing them in hopes of getting a good run and
not killing their chances of making a few dollars. If they were to revise
the laws and say make it anything over 5 hours rest resets or puts some of
the hours back onto your available hours it wouldnt be an issue. Until that
day i will continue to utilize creative loggin so as to make enough money
to survive. Bad enough the rates drivers make doesnt increase with the rate
of inflation and has made a job that once was good money no better than
mcdaonalds.
Gumby
28 Feb 2009, 20:02
28 Feb 2009, 20:02
I never lie in my logbook i run 100 percent legal all the time.
If you are reading this message and believe it time to get off the road and find a doctor your in bad shape and need help.
See ya in prison cause if anything god forbid terrible happened to 100 percent of any truck drivers out here some ambulance chasing lawyer will have your rear end in prison so fast your butt will hurt before you realize what happened.
If you are reading this message and believe it time to get off the road and find a doctor your in bad shape and need help.
See ya in prison cause if anything god forbid terrible happened to 100 percent of any truck drivers out here some ambulance chasing lawyer will have your rear end in prison so fast your butt will hurt before you realize what happened.
central 209
20 Mar 2009, 02:14
20 Mar 2009, 02:14
E-logs are a pain in the rear. I don't know how somebody could says they're
convienient or that they increase productivity. I think who ever says that
works in a trucking company safety department and they're just spreading
propaganda. The fact is that most drivers detest the e-logs. You can't go 2
blocks down the street to a walmart or a grocery store without it putting
you on driving and messing up your 10 hour breaks or resets. we are human
beings, not slaves. If the truck is not moving but the satelite messes up
your posioning and put you on driving while on a break you have to start
the break all over. How is that improving productivity? It's not. It's
putting you at risk for unneccesary fines and may also contribute to you
losing your license. I will never work for a company with e-logs again.
Bastard in a Basket
02 Apr 2009, 22:56
02 Apr 2009, 22:56
I'm tired of the Goverment telling me how to run my life!
It's done under the ruse of safety, but thge relaity is safety is the excuse they feed you like koolaid to keep you compliant & obdeient.
It's done under the ruse of safety, but thge relaity is safety is the excuse they feed you like koolaid to keep you compliant & obdeient.
Nunyabusiness
03 Apr 2009, 02:53
03 Apr 2009, 02:53
Well I personally hate the computer log. Any person that is a true truck
driver wouldn't & doesn't like them. They are only there to force a driver
not to enjoy his or her job. They are there to force a driver not to use
the truck for non trucking purpose. So I ask why force us to have non
trucking liability insurance? They also limit what a driver can make as a
solo driver. Then there comes the truck owner he or she wants a computer
log to protect themselves & now they want to attack the solo drivers
privacy & add the team driver to the truck. This increases the money the
truck owner makes not the drivers & decreases the money the drivers make,
as well as taking a persons privacy & safety away from them. Team driving
has never made more money than a solo could make. Team driving is for a
couple that wants to be together every waking minute of the day. Either
because they love each other that much or they are insecure & don't trust
each other. Every truck owner that doesn't drive one of their own trucks
with a team mate doesn't really know what they are requiring us to do. They
laugh at those of us less fortunate out here that they force to do it. They
laugh all the way to the bank. Personally I was more tired driving under a
computer log than drawing my own lines. I do what I want out here during my
time off by taxi or bus & get back in their truck & drive tired cause I can
& the machine says driver is not tired. Nobody can control what a driver
does during the 10 hour break, they just think they can under a computer
log. I personally put the extra time that expediting & computer logging
gives me to operating my own business at the truck stops. I provide food,
truck cleaning, laundry, truck polishing services. I make more money than I
do driving down the road & I am provided plenty of time to do it with
expidited freight hauling & a free place to stay all expenses paid while
doing it. All tax free money. I would be interested in driver & owner
comments so feel free to express yourself.
DoNotWorkForAQuommCompany
11 Jun 2009, 14:29
11 Jun 2009, 14:29
I am a good driver and I do not run over hours for anyone. I worked for
Werner for a couple of years before I got smart and got out. Real life is a
not a computer game, the machine has issues, and it's only a matter of time
before it trashes your record and puts you on the street. The Quomm was the
number one source of fatigue, stress, and misery that plagued my existence.
A company that would use it does not care about you or the safety of the
motoring public. The next company I work for will not have a Quomm. Or I
won't work there. Period.
I work for the blue bird
01 Dec 2009, 23:02
01 Dec 2009, 23:02
Well paperless is the way to go huh? how about those fresh beef loads
(Swift and Company or Hormel) where the product can only be on trl for
certain amount of hrs FDA regulation. or those fresh produce loads Dole or
Del Monte for Dominican Republic. Anyone hauls produce from any of the
ports know what im talking about. there are so many flaws into the system.
many companies are jumping on the band wagon because they get tax breaks on
insurance listen to Progressive Insurance commercials and D.O.T. What
companies fail to realize is it is the drivers they hire, competition is so
steep, they will hire anyone who has CDL. Does anyooen pay attention to
turnover % anymore. I say if paperless is the way to go, I say every
company should get a union, hold on if they (Union) so bad why you never
here about R+L, UPS, YRC and others dont quit or complain, look at your
next oreintation, maybe 20-15 new drivers each week. 3yrs in the business
i can already see huge changes. For ex. company forces Per. Diem on
drivers and turns around and charges .025 mile as accounting fee!!!!!!!has
to be illegal. to address the shopping issue, cant go walmart with out it
being logged as driving time, CRAZY!!!! out of supplies, dental,
deordorant, clothes, soap, get top dollar from truck stop!!LOL joke! or go
to Walmart then start you driving time and then, lose $$ cause you cant do
a load, but you will never know cause you will not get it. Movies, cancell
that, as otr drive that was my outlet, take a break and go to the movies
1.5hr movie, eat good meal (not truckstop stuff) you burn 3.5-4hrs. you
done for the day. I say stop advertising FREEDOM OF THE OPEN ROAD.
FREEDOM WHAT FREEEDOM.Dont be scared driver unite and get a union most
companies are not privately owned.





