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The IRS and the spy

Discussion in 'The Soapbox' started by LDB, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. LDB

    LDB Expert Expediter

  2. layoutshooter

    layoutshooter New Recruit

    Not everyone. They don't hire those who believe in freedom or the Constitution.
     
  3. RLENT

    RLENT Seasoned Expediter

    The story from Godfather Politics is problematic in a number of ways - two of them being that it's both inaccurate and misleading - as evidenced by the reporting done by actual news organizations.

    One would think that after having the above issues crop up repeatedly with respect to the particular source in question, that someone who was actually interested in the truth would avoid using that source.

    This does, of course, assume that they were actually capable of accurate observation ...

    What was it Einstein said ... something about "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" ?
     
  4. scottm4211

    scottm4211 Expert Expediter

    A troll is no different than a spammer.
     
  5. Turtle

    Turtle Moderator Staff Member

    Both inaccurate and misleading, but I'm not sure sure that either of those is evidenced by the reporting done by actual news organizations. Real, actual news organizations aren't reporting it at all, far as I can tell. That's not evidence of inaccuracy or being misleading, though. The story may very well be true (except for the parts they got wrong), and still not be reported in the real, actual news media. There have certainly been several stories that actual news organizations stayed away from (like, remember the one where Ron Paul actually ran for president and no news organizations even mentioned it? <snort>).

    Here's the source of the story at PJ Media » (EXCLUSIVE). and more information at the Washington Times. At this point it appears the story is unconfirmed, and until it is, no news organization will consider it news. However, the original story from PJ Media was dated March 6, which is ample time for independent confirmation by investigative news reporters. If there was a story there, the mainstream media would almost certainly be all over it by now, but even the normal conservative rags aren't reporting this, and they would be if there was anything to it, I would think.
     
  6. davekc

    davekc Senior Moderator Staff Member

    Waiting to see if it pops up on Fox.:cool:
     
  7. Ragman

    Ragman Expert Expediter

    I'm sure if there was anything to this, Fox would have been all over it like flies on s**t.
     
  8. RLENT

    RLENT Seasoned Expediter

    Actually, they are (evidenced by the reporting)

    The story - or significant parts of it - goes back several years.

    And yes, aspects of the story have been reported by actual news organizations - including the Washington Post, and as you note below the Washington Times.

    Or deliberately perverted to serve an agenda.

    Of course, when a story contains errors or factual misrepresentation, it's a bit of a stretch to say that such a story is "true" ...

    No argument that true stories do not at times get reported in the news media.

    Indeed.

    Clearly not the case, as evidenced by the link to the Washington Times article above.

    There is a story there - however it is not exactly the story that GFP and PJM - or (un-convicted) terrorist Allen West - are portraying.
     
  9. RLENT

    RLENT Seasoned Expediter

    Here's a little bit from back in 2007 about the clown over at PJ Media - Patrick Poole - whose original article was the "source" of this current hysteria taking form in the right wing-nut echo chamber that some apparently like to frequent.

    He looks to be a somewhat minor player in Islamophobia Inc ... but he's certainly trying:

    Wingnuts at it again

    Franklin, TN - that's gotta be like Wing-nut Central for Islamophobia in the Volunteer State ...
     
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  10. RLENT

    RLENT Seasoned Expediter

    Ragman,

    There are some kernels of truth in the story - so there is "something" to it ... but the story as portrayed is inaccurate and misleading ...

    Whether Fox takes it up or not remains to be seen ... but given their history and track record, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did ...

    What will be interesting to see is how many times it is repeated, essentially verbatim, in the echochamber ...
     
  11. Turtle

    Turtle Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not as quick to dismiss any story just because the messenger is a less-than reputable nutjob. The source is certainly something to consider, and can contextually color what they say, but it's the information they convey that's most important.

    I'm also not as quick to consider the Washing Times as a real, actual news organization with any modicum of journalistic integrity. At best they blur the lines, heavily.
     
  12. RLENT

    RLENT Seasoned Expediter

    I didn't dismiss the story ... in fact, I readily acknowledged that there are some true and factual elements in/to it ... but that doesn't compensate for the fact, that other parts or aspects of it have been twisted or perverted by some to serve an agenda ...

    Of course.

    In this instance, the source has a history that is well worth considering (IMO)

    And some would say the very same thing about the NYT, WaPo, or ________ (you fill in the blank)
     
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  13. Turtle

    Turtle Moderator Staff Member

    I dunno, maybe. But considering who founded the Washington Times, and who they are owned by and are so closely aligned with, I'm not sure I'd put the NYT, WaPo or any other MSM newspaper outlet in the same category. At least the others will, at least sometimes, make the attempt to pretend to be impartial. The Washington Times does not.
     
  14. layoutshooter

    layoutshooter New Recruit

  15. RLENT

    RLENT Seasoned Expediter

    You dunno whether some would be "not as quick to consider [the NYT or WaPo] as a real, actual news organization with any modicum of journalistic integrity" ?

    By my observation there are quite a few folks - from both sides of the political aisle interestingly enough - that will charge either of them [NYT or WaPo] as being utterly partisan organizations, without any journalistic integrity whatoever ...

    LOL ... yes ... but it's been said that Ronny Raygun read the WT every day. In 1997 he said:

    "The American people know the truth. You, my friends at The Washington Times, have told it to them. It wasn't always the popular thing to do. But you were a loud and powerful voice. Like me, you arrived in Washington at the beginning of the most momentous decade of the century. Together, we rolled up our sleeves and got to work. And—oh, yes—we won the Cold War."

    Well, there ya go: if you at least make the attempt to pretend to be impartial [even when you aren't] it can apparently make all the difference in the world ... ;)
     
  16. Turtle

    Turtle Moderator Staff Member

    I don't know what others think, all I know is that I personally don't consider the Washington Times a reliable news source that I can rely on to be honest and accurate about what they are reporting.
     
  17. RLENT

    RLENT Seasoned Expediter

    From where I sit it's a mixed bag ... like almost any of them ...
     
  18. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Seasoned Expediter

    The very same thing could be said about the New York Times, especially considering the admission of liberal bias from two of it's own editors: Arthur Brisbane and Margaret Sullivan.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/o...the-times-transforms.html?_r=4&smid=tw-share&

    NY Times Public Editor Admits Paper Has a Liberal Bias [Video]
     
  19. Turtle

    Turtle Moderator Staff Member

    No it can't, because I heavily qualified it by saying "I personally..." So, no, I can't say the very same thing about the NYT. I commented that regular, traditional news outlets weren't reporting this story and RLENT disagreed, citing the fact that the Washington Times had an article on it, and I simply noted that I didn't consider them to be a real news outlet. If others think they are, then great. But not me. I'm not here to argue who is and is not a good source, nor to list those I think are good sources, other than to state, in my opinion, a newspaper founded by and operated by Moonies is not my go-to news source for reliable Ws.
     
  20. RLENT

    RLENT Seasoned Expediter

    Actually, in the interests of accuracy, I pointed out that both the WT and WaPo had coverage on this story - or aspects of it - which includes the backstory and the non-current, historical portions.
     

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