Just had a penitentiary flashback....

[usafk9]

....and it got me thinking about the dingbat who is refusing to issue gay marriage licenses, and is now in jail.

What if.....she gets punked out, and then switches teams?

Would she then refuse to issue a license to herself?

Seriously, I'm a bit surprised that no one has brought up this nitwit's "heroics" here before now.

Or maybe they have. And I just avoid this place.

 

[Turtle]

Actually, she was pretty punked out before she "saw the light" and was "born again" a few years ago - the epitome of the wild child.

Be that as it may, she's from Kentucky, albeit the eastern half of the state and we're already relatively distanced, I'm nevertheless trying to distance myself from her so as to not taint the scant few Kentuckians who are not nitwits.

Only in Kentucky can you be jailed for believing that marriage is a union between one man and one woman.

 

[greasytshirt]

“religious liberty is not a sword with which government, through its employees, may impose particular religious beliefs on others.”

 

[cheri1122]

She seems not to grasp the fact that when on duty, she IS 'the government'. When she's off duty, she can tell gay people how sinful they are all day long, that's the freedom of speech and religion she is entitled to.

PS That oath she swore, it specifies "I have not participated in a duel involving firearms, nor assisted anyone else to participate in such a duel", which is the only promise required [other than the part about upholding the LAW], so is Kentucky that concerned about duels? LOL

 

[Ragman]

Only in Kentucky can you be jailed for believing that marriage is a union between one man and one woman.

That's not why she was jailed, and you know it.

 

[Turtle]

That's not why she was jailed, and you know it.

That's exactly why she was jailed, as everything she has done is predicated on that belief. Do you really believe that if she believed differently she wouldn't be in jail?

I notice you don't have any issue with the notion that only a scant few Kentuckians are not nitwits. Apparently you think that statement was made with the same seriousness and sobriety as the comment about why she was jailed, and neither were said with tongue-in-cheek humor.

Therefore, as you did not take exception to or disagree with the statement, I am offended that you believe all but a scant handful of Kentuckians are nitwits. Deeply. And personally. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that you would believe such a thing!

 

[skyraider]

Whatever the Supreme Court deems necessary for us, we must comply, even if we think it is wrong. They , the Supremes, are doing what is best for us and you all know it. You do realize we cannot think for ourselves anymore. I guess buying our personal hygiene products is not on the Supremes list,,,,not yet anyway.

 

[Ftransit]

Whatever the Supreme Court deems necessary for us, we must comply, even if we think it is wrong. They , the Supremes, are doing what is best for us and you all know it. You do realize we cannot think for ourselves anymore. I guess buying our personal hygiene products is not on the Supremes list,,,,not yet anyway.

Haha...nose ring...

 

[Ragman]

That's exactly why she was jailed, as everything she has done is predicated on that belief. Do you really believe that if she believed differently she wouldn't be in jail?

I notice you don't have any issue with the notion that only a scant few Kentuckians are not nitwits. Apparently you think that statement was made with the same seriousness and sobriety as the comment about why she was jailed, and neither were said with tongue-in-cheek humor.

Therefore, as you did not take exception to or disagree with the statement, I am offended that you believe all but a scant handful of Kentuckians are nitwits. Deeply. And personally. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that you would believe such a thing!

I read this post early this morning and didn't catch the tongue in cheek.

However, with that said, she is entitled to her beliefs, but being the county clerk she must follow the law. Refusing to do so puts her in contempt of court. This is why she was jailed.

As far as Kentuckians, I'm sure they are nice people. Some even live in Metro Detroit. Hence, Taylortucky, Walledtucky, and Hazeltucky.

 

[muttly]

The White House spokesman weighs in:

.“I will just say on principle that the success of our democracy depends on the rule of law and there is no public official that is above the rule of law,” Earnest said. “Certainly not the President of the United States. But neither is the Rowan county clerk. That’s a principle that is enshrined in our Constitution and in our democracy.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

White House On Kim Davis: No Public Official Above The Rule Of Law - Breitbart

 

[skyraider]

1. Carter County Jail, Grayson Ky News
   • Attorney: Rowan Clerk Kim Davis' contempt hearing was 'charade'
     WKYT Lexington11 hours ago
   • Attorneys to meet with Davis, hold news conference
     WAVE 3 Louisville7 hours ago
   • Kentucky clerk ordered to jail for refusing to issue gay marriage license
     Washington Post21 hours ago
   • Kim Davis is doing ok, I called the prison today and they are keeping her well looked after as best they can according to the man I talked to...he said they are receiving 100s of phone calls about Mrs Davis. Note, King of Kings radio in Summerset Ky took many phones call about Mrs Davis and the callers are praying for her and were emotionally upset over this imprisonment of Mrs Davis. There are 1000s it seems that are on her side and this is not going to go away anytime soon. Stand by....................Skyraider.
   Carter County Jail, 13 Crossbar Rd, Grayson Ky 41143
   
2. • (606) 475-1606 send her a card Kim B. Davis, the prison will give her your card. If you are on her side that is.

 

[Turtle]

However, with that said, she is entitled to her beliefs, but being the county clerk she must follow the law.

I agree. Granted, when she ran for office and was elected, issuing same-sex marriage licenses weren't part of the deal. But as soon as the law was changed, if she felt she could no longer perform and execute the duties of the office, she should have resigned.

From one of the articles linked by Skyraider: "Neither Davis nor her attorneys had ever envisioned things getting to this point -- with her wearing an orange jumpsuit in Grayson. Staver said they were shocked by the judge's contempt order..."

Horse hockey. The day the Supreme Court ruled on this Davis flatly stated she would not be issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples, "even if it means I have to go to jail."

No matter what ends up happening with her, the marriage licenses that are issued in her absence may not even be legal. Under Kentucky law marriage licenses must be signed by the County Clerk, or a Deputy Clerk must be authorized to sign in her absence. She has refused to do both, specifically stating that she explicitly does not authorize any of her Deputy Clerks to sign the licenses. So that could end up being really funny.


On the other end of the scale is this:
Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divorce because … gay marriage

He's got some killer comments in there. My favorite:

"Although this Court has some vague familiarity with the governmental theories of democracy, republicanism, socialism, communism, fascism, theocracy, and even despotism,” he begins sarcastically, “implementation of this apparently new ‘super-federal-judicial’ form of benign and benevolent government, termed ‘krytocracy’ by some and ‘judi-idiocracy’ by others, with its iron fist and limp wrist, represents quite a challenge for a state level trial court."

 

[cheri1122]

My favorite comment: a Tweet by Mike Huckabee, saying he's flying to Ky to "stand with Kim Davis" - what a great image, lol.
The judge [Brunner] even said Davis could stay out of jail if she promised not to interfere with her deputies handing out licenses, and she said "I'd rather go to jail." I think that's what this is: her 15 minutes of fame. Watch for the Gofundme, then the speaking gigs, and the book - gotta be a book deal, lol.
Seriously: every fuss over "deeply held religious beliefs" [and what exactly qualifies as 'deeply held'?] has been prompted by a Christian, because the prevailing belief is that we are a Christian nation, and Christianity is first among equal religions. So what happens when someone decides to prove that wrong by demanding accommodation of their deeply held religious beliefs, but their religion is Scientology? Or Jehovah's Witnesses? Or [gasp] Islam?
This is a huge can of snakes - not worms, because these things can bite. And sooner or later, they will.

 

[cheri1122]

That judge is just whacked. He claims that individuals are now "apparently authorized to decide when a marriage begins, and evidently, when it ends, without any pesky interference from the government." [Not an exact quote, going from memory] That's just blatant BS - and a very petty misrepresentation of the SC decision.
There's a simple solution: let the Feds take over the licensing and officiating of marriages - and collect the revenue as well.

 

[Turtle]

So what happens when someone decides to prove that wrong by demanding accommodation of their deeply held religious beliefs, but their religion is Scientology? Or Jehovah's Witnesses? Or [gasp] Islam?

That's exactly what has happened with all of those religions, with Muslim demands making the most news and getting the most rise out of both conservative Christians and atheists alike. Muslims and Jews have demanded and received special meals in jails and prisons, Muslims have demanded and received special accommodations for prayer space, and Muslim women have demanded and received special accommodation to drive while wearing a burka, as well as have their drivers license photos be taken either with head and face coverings, including a burka, or have the room cleared of all men while their picture is being taken.

hat judge is just whacked.

He's simply pointing out the absurdity of the SCOTUS taking over the role of the state legislatures in enacting legislation, that dismisses the will of the people and in some cases voids state constitutions.

There's a simple solution: let the Feds take over the licensing and officiating of marriages - and collect the revenue as well.

That's exactly what the judge said.

 

[aristotle]

Kim Davis was perp walked in handcuffs and shackles on her feet. She is being kept in isolation during her stay in jail.

The deputy clerks are acting without authorization from their superior, Kim Davis. She is still the duly elected Clerk of Rowan County, jailed or not. If and when Davis returns to her official duties, a clean sweep of insubordinate staff might be in order.

 

[cheri1122]

That's exactly what has happened with all of those religions, with Muslim demands making the most news and getting the most rise out of both conservative Christians and atheists alike. Muslims and Jews have demanded and received special meals in jails and prisons, Muslims have demanded and received special accommodations for prayer space, and Muslim women have demanded and received special accommodation to drive while wearing a burka, as well as have their drivers license photos be taken either with head and face coverings, including a burka, or have the room cleared of all men while their picture is being taken.

He's simply pointing out the absurdity of the SCOTUS taking over the role of the state legislatures in enacting legislation, that dismisses the will of the people and in some cases voids state constitutions.


That's exactly what the judge said.

Special meals, prayer rugs - none of the accommodations listed deny those of different beliefs their rights. The SCOTUS is meant to prevent unconstitutional laws from prevailing, even when they are part of a state's constitution and/or the will of the people.
All the identical arguments were made about allowing mixed race marriages, with detractors citing the Bible to "prove" it should not be allowed. They were wrong then, and they're wrong now.
Question: Kim Davis has been a devout Christian for only a few years. I won't condemn her background, [glass houses & all that], but it does raise a question that needs answered: how long must beliefs be "deeply held" to qualify? Is it acceptable, if one was 'born again' just yesterday? How about a couple hours ago?

 

[Turtle]

Special meals, prayer rugs - none of the accommodations listed deny those of different beliefs their rights.

That wasn't your stated premise. The premise was simply what happens when people of other religions start making demands for accommodations of their religious beliefs in order to prove wrong the notions that Christianity is first among equal religions. You didn't say anything about those demands denying beliefs of others.

The SCOTUS is meant to prevent unconstitutional laws from prevailing, even when they are part of a state's constitution and/or the will of the people.

Correct. Yet they are now in the legislation business, too.

All the identical arguments were made about allowing mixed race marriages, with detractors citing the Bible to "prove" it should not be allowed. They were wrong then, and they're wrong now.

You've never seen me use the Bible as proof of anything.

Question: Kim Davis has been a devout Christian for only a few years. I won't condemn her background, [glass houses & all that], but it does raise a question that needs answered: how long must beliefs be "deeply held" to qualify? Is it acceptable, if one was 'born again' just yesterday? How about a couple hours ago?

How long do you have to love someone, like after the birth of a child, in order for it to actually qualify as love? If someone suddenly stops believing in God, how much time must pass before that new belief qualifies? There's a world of difference between "deeply held" and "long held," If you believe something deeply, time is not the litmus test.

 

[Turtle]

Kim Davis was perp walked in handcuffs and shackles on her feet. She is being kept in isolation during her stay in jail.

The deputy clerks are acting without authorization from their superior, Kim Davis. She is still the duly elected Clerk of Rowan County, jailed or not. If and when Davis returns to her official duties, a clean sweep of insubordinate staff might be in order.

I think it'll be interesting to see how the validity question of the licenses issues without her authorization plays out. Kentucky law is rather specific on that issue. I don't know why the governor and the county attorney seem to think the law doesn't apply here.

On the upside in the humor category - Westboro.

 

[RLENT]

That's exactly why she was jailed, as everything she has done is predicated on that belief.

Nope ... she was jailed for her actions ... not her beliefs ...

Do you really believe that if she believed differently she wouldn't be in jail?

Would depend on her conduct ...

Keep in mind that this Bib-bel humping kook was not only denying licenses to gays, but to heterosexual couples as well ... you know: ... so's in order to not discriminate ...

ROTFLMAO ...

At the point she decided to go down that road, she proved she was nuts - and unfit to serve - since it established that she was utterly incapable apparently of selecting the correct target for her petty authoritarian dramatizations ... all while lying to justify or minimize her conduct ...

As such she established herself as the poster child for why some Christian fanatics are viewed with disdain by probably a majority of the American public and otherwise sane individuals.