Once again you're misrepresenting what I posted: read the article. I'm talking about the two suspects who are accused of assaulting the officer.
I'm not misrepresenting anything. You flatly stated that the same two men who were shot by the police officer was the same two men who attempted to steal beer, and that the same two men accused or resisting arrest.
"...two black men attempt to steal beer from a Safeway in Olympia, WA get shot and wounded resisting arrest when a cop catches up with them." There is no question in that sentence that it's the same two men start to finish. They didn't allegedly attempt to steal the beer, they aren't accused of attempting to stealing the beer, they flatly attempted to steal the beer. You found them guilty of attempting to steal beer, right out of the gate. There is no other way to represent that statement.
Then you proceeded to blame the guys who got shot, you know, the gunshot victims, for being " just plain stupid and there's no fixing that."
Whether you're talking about the two suspects who are accused of
assaulting the officer, or the two suspects who stole the beer, they are the victim of gunshot wounds nonetheless.
Once again, these two were shot while supposedly resisting arrest. Whether or not they were the ones who tried to steal the beer is irrelevant to the shooting. If they were not the shoplifters they could have easily dealt with the cop and proven their innocence.
So, resisting arrest is supposed to justify a shooting? And if they were not guilty, they had nothing to worry about and should have complied, and by not complying they somehow prove their guilt? Did you just say that they should hae proved their innocence? Seriously?
The usage of the term "victim" implies innocence.
No it doesn't. It implies whatever I want it to imply. You can infer it however you want. But I know the definition of victim, and it has nothing to do with guilt or innocence.
Once again, you're trying to improperly relate the shooting to the attempted shoplifting. THEY WERE NOT SHOT WHILE TRYING TO STEAL THE BEER. They were shot because the cop claims they attacked him and resisted arrest. The investigation of that claim is still a work in progress.
I'm relating it to them being suspected of attempted shoplifting, rather than a violent felony, and for whatever reason the cop managed to escalate it to something deadly serious. As for the cop's claims, I'll need something more than his say so on the 'they attacked him' count, because I'll bet if they did, it wasn't an unprovoked attack. As for resisting arrest, unless they were considered armed with something other than a skateboard, resisting arrest doesn't justify shooting them.
A nonsensical statement. One has nothing to do with the other, and this constant relation to the attempted beer theft is a lame attempt to justify their victim status. [/quote]Not even close. The suspicion of attempted beer stealing is the probable cause that directly led to the cop stopping them in the first place.
Using that logic, police should just ignore shoplifters and thieves or let them go if they run or resist arrest.
The police shouldn't ignore them, but they also shouldn't shoot them if they resist or run. The police also shouldn't, by their own actions, create a situation where they feel justified in shooting someone in those circumstances. It is, in fact, better to let them get away than it is to shoot someone over a minor crime. If the police try and place someone in custody and the suspect fights back, if the police can't gain control in any other way other than to shoot them, then they should let them go.
If the investigation reveals that they actually did attack the officer, then they should be prosecuted for that after they get out of the hospital; if they tried to steal the beer, charges should be brought for that also.
And I'm sure they will. Especially considering cops and prosecutors tend to lay the charges on pretty thick.
Regarding the out-of-control cop mantra, there doesn't seem to be a history of that kind of abuse in Olympia. In any case, we'll see what the investigation reveals. Personally, I'm betting it will turn out similar to Ferguson: suspected shoplifter gets stopped, resists arrest and turns violent, gets shot by cop; cop gets exonerated and starts getting death threats, has to move with his family to another state and change careers.
History of that in Olympia or not, this could be one of those famous isolated incidents.
