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Old 06-02-2003, 05:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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6000# gvwr vehicles

Greetings, Frank. Hope that your recovery is still going well. My
question: Is the new "incentive" to purchase a vehicle rated at over
6000# a tax CREDIT, or a tax deduction? Also, being an "S" corp.,
would this have any benefits for our personal 1040? For example:
Could my wife & I purchase the vehicle, lease it to the company &
then claim the tax credit ourselves? Thanks for your reply.:-)
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RE: 6000# gvwr vehicles

Are you talking about dealer incentives that they are offering, these are non-deductiable and do not help you in any way except to reduce the price of the vehicle.
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RE: 6000# gvwr vehicles

I have heard that there large depreciation allowances during the first year for one of these vehicles. Something like 30-40%. And, I
thought I read, or heard, that there was a tax credit for making these "capital investments" in new equipment.
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RE: 6000# gvwr vehicles

Freightchaser,

Yes there are capital equipment ivestments deductions but they are only for persons with a physical place of business where the capital improvments can be deducted and depreciated over a period of 5 years. through ammorization. Similar to resturants, new business offices, etc. where you invest capital dollars into reconstruction, new business equipment, changing walls, new walkin freezers, refrigators, servers, and all office equipment that is capital improvements.
As far as a truck is concerned, you are not inproving your truck as to moving walls, you are only buying the vehicle basically complete, with e-track, plywood floors, sleeper, plus the equipment that you add to it. refrigator, cooler, mircowave, tv, vcr, mattress, storage cabinets. which is all depreciable separately, your electronic equipmet. unless it came with the truck upon purchase.
is depreciated you have to remember when you trade in that truck, or sell it you have to recapture all the depreciation that you have taking over the 3 year period that you are allowed to depreciate it.


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lets say, your truck was 85,000
you put a deposit of 5,000
your basis in the truck is now $80,000
youhave taking depreciation over 3 yrs 80,000
your truck is worth 0 as far as deprecation

you sell or trade in your truck for lets say 35,000
your depreciation is 80,000 recaptured less $35,000 your taxable capital gain is $45,000

There are really no incentives for trucks period. except the factoy incentive which is not deductable.

As far as buying and leasing to the S corp or LLC, it is not worth the aggravation you will have to go thru, because the income from the lease is taxable to you personally, and the 1099 which you recieve will probably be made out to you personally, unless the contract states the company is who they are paying. When you are a corporation true, it protects your personal assets if you go bust, but since your using the truck as a collateral for the corp it will then affect your creditability, and you would have to go corp bankrupt. Dont forget also being a Corporation, you must carry workmens comp insurance on yourself and your wife, which is very $$$$$$, Within a corp

1. Incorporation papers depending which state, runs anywhere between $300-$1000 depending on your lawyers
2 You are responsible for federal, State, and Unemployment taxes to be paid, as saleries, W-2sto be made out and are considered an employee of the corp.
3 possible double taxation, Corporation taxes, and personal taxes.
4 the leasing co that you are leased to will not take taxes out on you they will make out a 1099misc, income form for the corp each year. all of your deductions repairs, fuel, tires, maintaince, insurance, phones, plus many more are only deductiable to the corp not personally, you can only take, the deduction for the days logged out, and showers, plus minor truck item you perchase for your self on the truck.

any other questions you can find Federal publication on the web all of these publication at [www.irs,gov/formspubs/index.html]
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RE: 6000# gvwr vehicles

left off the web site.

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RE: 6000# gvwr vehicles

Hi Freightchaser, and all O/O'S

THE NEW TAX LAWS OF 2003 THAT WERE PASSED INCLUDE FOR TAX YEARS 2003,2004 A TOTAL 179 DEDUCTION OF $100,000.00, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DEDUCT THE TOTAL PRICE OF YOUR TRUCK IN THE YEAR IT IS PURCHASED.
SO IF YOU PAID $125,000 FOR A TRUCK YOU ARE ABLE TO TAKE $100,000 DEDUCTION ON THE TRUCK AND DEPRECIATE THE $25,000 BALANCE OVER 3 YEARS. WHCIH WOULD BE BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE ON THE MONTH IT WAS PURCHASED. SEE CHART BELOW ON HOW IT IS FIGURED IF PURCHASE BETWEEN JAN.& MAR.

PERSONALLY I WOULD NOT SUGGEST IT, DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANY TRUCK DEDUCTION UNLESS YOU TAKE THE STANDARD STRAIGHT LINE OR USING 200DB DEPRECIATION OVER THE 3 YEARS ,

FOR EXAMPLE: STRAIGHT LINE METHOD A TRUCK HAS A TOTAL 3 YEAR DEPRECIATION WITH A 4 YEAR LIFE. SO YOU WOULD RECIEVE A DEPRECIATION DEDUCTION IN THE 4TH YEAR.

COST OF TRUCK LETS SAY $89,000
DEPOSIT ON TRUCK 5,000
DEPRECIATION BASIS OF TRUCK $84,000 ALSO BASED BY PERCENTAGE DEPENDING ON WHAT QUARTER IT WAS FIRST PUT IN SERVICE
LETSSAY 1ST QTR 2ND QTR 3RD QTR 4TH QTR
YR 2003- 29.17% 20.83% 12.50% 4.17%
YR 2004- 33.33% SAME SAME SAME
YR 2005- 33.33% SAME 33.34% 33.33%
YR 2006- 4.17% 12.50% 20.83% 29.17%

DEPRECIATIED OVER 3 YEARS IS WOULD BE DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR IT IS PURCHASED APPROX, $28,000 PER YEAR AS A DEDUCTION, EXCEPT THE FIRST AND LAST

USING MARCO'S- 150DB, OR 200 DB (DECLINING BALANCE METHOD)

IS BASED ON A PERCENTAGE, THIS WOULD ALSO DEPEND WHAT QUARTER YOU PURCHASED YOUR TRUCK, JAN- MAR, APR.- JUNE, JULY-SEPT, OR OCT -DEC.

PURCHASED TRUCK IN FIRST QUARTER 84,000 BASIS AND WOULD BE USING THE 150 DB CONVENTION
2003-43.75% 2004-28.13% 2005- 25.00%, 2006- 3.12%
AFTER THE 1ST QUARTER THE PERCENTAGE DECLINES IN THE FIRST YEAR BUT INCREASES IN THE BALANCE OF THE YEAR


IF YOU TAKE THE COMPLETE DEDUCTION YOU ARE LOSING THE $28,000 PER YEAR AS A DEDUCTION, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL 50% DEDUCTION THAT IS AVAILABLE UNTIL 1/1/2005 UNLESS IT IS CHANGED IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT, BUT IT IS ONLY AVAILABLE ON ANY EQUIPMENT THAT YOU PURCHASE WITHIN THE TAXABLE YEAR, YOU CAN NOT CARRY OVER

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