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    Proof for Per Diem

    As a Class A and Class B driver, I have had log books to prove my time away from home. If I were to become a non-CDL driver, what proof can I use as a substitute for log books?
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    Re: Proof for Per Diem

    When you say non-CDL, do you mean under 10,000 GVW? You could be non-CDL between 10k and 26k and still have to run a log. If you're going cargo van, some run a log book just for IRS purposes. I kept a journal that I record expenses in, along with locations.


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    Re: Proof for Per Diem

    What is the "official" IRS requirement for keeping log books to verify per diem?

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    Re: Proof for Per Diem

    By non-CDL I was referring to no longer having to have DOT med cards, log books, scales and all the other crap I've put up with since 2004.
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    Re: Proof for Per Diem

    Quote Originally Posted by chetjester View Post
    what proof can I use as a substitute for log books?
    I have BOLs, settlement sheets, fuel receipts, credit card receipts and homemade trip sheets to document my travels.


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    Re: Proof for Per Diem

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I have BOLs, settlement sheets, fuel receipts, credit card receipts and homemade trip sheets to document my travels.

    Does that give you a close enough picture to prove like, 1/2 per diem? For when you arrive at home or leave home?

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    Re: Proof for Per Diem

    Close enough for guvment werk.


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    Re: Proof for Per Diem

    The day you leave and the day you return home are each considered 3/4 per diem.
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    Re: Proof for Per Diem

    Yeah, I could not remember if it was 1/2 or 3/4. Thanks.

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    Re: Proof for Per Diem

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I have BOLs, settlement sheets, fuel receipts, credit card receipts and homemade trip sheets to document my travels.
    I don't have the BOL's the settlement sheets do the same job without all the paper saved...I have all what Moot does..
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    Re: Proof for Per Diem

    I over kill, (best to have more and not need it, than to have less and need it).

    BOL, Trip Reports, Settlements, and for an overview I keep a monyhly Calendar showing loacation. I do not count a day away if I leave home for a short run, then dead head back home later the same day. On the Calendar- I keep three years with me. Good way to see where you can get loaded from year to year. You have to make some adjustments, but it works for me. (my little black book)
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    Re: Proof for Per Diem

    If you're in a van keep a log book and log it as you do it . Even if you drive over 11 hours a day or over 14 hours a dayon duty it doesn't matter if you are not hauling hazmat . The only thing you need to worry about is not exceeding the 70 hours in 8 days if you get a hazmat load .

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    Re: Proof for Per Diem

    HI ALL
    It seems that there is much confusiion about the per deim and how it works,

    On the day you leave it is based on the time of day, if you leave from 6AM to Noon it is 3/4 day, noon to 6PM is considered 1/2 day, and after 6 PM to midnight a 1/4 day.

    If you are in a cargo van, the best way is to log just for the heck of it, Only under hazmat you must meet DOT Regs and under the 70 hour rule, otherwise it is not necessary

    When I was on the road myself in the cargo van, I used a Steno Notebook
    on the left side right side starting mileage leaving home and time
    Shipper
    address
    city
    phone
    date of pick up
    time.

    Receiver
    Address
    City
    Phone
    Time of Delivery
    Tate of Delivery

    Right Side was for my mileage deduction
    Starting Mileage (Deadhead) plus time left
    Starting Mileage (loaded)
    Every place I stopped, fuel, eat, etc, nap, etc
    ending mileage (Delivery) and deadhead to truckstop unless new load was ready for pickup
    this is your Proof of per diem

    one you leave your home residence, you are out for the total time, weather your sitting in a truckstop, or wal mart parking lot,. If you have to do a repair, depending on that repair
    if major and you go home immed, you are out of service and the per diem is over for that trip

    If it is repairable on the road the per diem continues throughout the time spent on the truck.

    I hope this trys to clear up some of the confusion.

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