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    What IRS form do u use>

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    Re: per Diem

    Form 1040, Schedule C. I don't recall the exact line number but it is listed under deductible meals...


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    Re: per Diem

    What's the amount and percentage for '09?


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    Re: per Diem

    80% of $52 for the first 9 months of 2009. 80% of $59 after October 1, 2009.


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    Thanks Mr. Moot, you're a fine, upstanding gentleman.


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    Re: per Diem

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    80% of $52 for the first 9 months of 2009. 80% of $59 after October 1, 2009.
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    here is the law for per diem for 2009, 2010 and previous years

    What is the per diem rate?
    Starting October 1, 2009, the per diem rate changed from $52 from $59 per day.

    Any trucker, who used the $52 per diem special transportation rate for the first nine months of 2009, can claim $59 per diem for the remainder of the year for travel in the U.S.

    The per diem rate for meals in 2009 is 80% of $52 per day.
    The per diem rate for meals in 2008 was 80% of $52 per day.
    The per diem rate for meals in 2007 was 75% of $52 per day.
    The per diem rate for meals in 2006 was 75% of $52 per day.
    The per diem rate for meals in 2005 was 70% of $41 per day.
    The per diem rate for meals in 2004 was 70% of $41 per day.

    The per diem rate for meals when in Canada is 80% of $58 per day

    Per Diem can only be taken when the driver spends the night away from home.



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    Re: per Diem

    Quote Originally Posted by Fkatz View Post



    Any trucker, who used the $52 per diem special transportation rate for the first nine months of 2009, can claim $59 per diem for the remainder of the year for travel in the U.S.
    In the per diem thread started by Teamcaffee you say that we can't use both rates. If we started on the $52 rate we have to stick with it for the entire year.


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    Originally the the per diem law state that you would have to stick with it all year, but what you see is the from the OOIDA Website,
    I couldn' t find anythingon the IRS Web site, why I do not know normally there is on.;ly 1 paragraph in the publication, I went though all of them and did not see it


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    Re: per Diem

    Quote Originally Posted by Fkatz View Post
    Re: per Diem

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    80% of $52 for the first 9 months of 2009. 80% of $59 after October 1, 2009.
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    here is the law for per diem for 2009, 2010 and previous years

    What is the per diem rate?
    Starting October 1, 2009, the per diem rate changed from $52 from $59 per day.

    Any trucker, who used the $52 per diem special transportation rate for the first nine months of 2009, can claim $59 per diem for the remainder of the year for travel in the U.S.

    The per diem rate for meals in 2009 is 80% of $52 per day.
    The per diem rate for meals in 2008 was 80% of $52 per day.
    The per diem rate for meals in 2007 was 75% of $52 per day.
    The per diem rate for meals in 2006 was 75% of $52 per day.
    The per diem rate for meals in 2005 was 70% of $41 per day.
    The per diem rate for meals in 2004 was 70% of $41 per day.

    The per diem rate for meals when in Canada is 80% of $58 per day

    Per Diem can only be taken when the driver spends the night away from home.



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    Hi Frank,

    Your last line in the above post got me to thinking.......

    Been looking thru you "per Diem" threads, and haven't found an answer to this question that poped into my head, concerned I have been doing my deductions correctly.

    If I leave Detroit at 4am on Mon morn, and go to Nashville than to Little Rock , than to Chicago, than Indy and end up in Warren, MI on Thursday night around 8p with a 8am Fri delivery appt....can I deduct PD for Thursday night if I chose to stay in my sleeper at the consignee and well as 1/4 to 1/2 of Friday....I'd have no car to drive home, but am close to my house and my company's domicile. But I am tired and want to sleep......

    At this point I am about 30 miles from home. Also, I may reload in Warren and head back out...and never stop at home, it's not exactly on a truck route. Taking a full PD for Friday........

    So is there a certain "radius" for the perdiem as well as having to "sleeper berth"?

    As a side bar...I have always taken the per diem for this posted "example" question. Hope I am clear on my Q?

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    Re: per Diem

    There is a radius, I think 100 miles, so you couldn't use the per diem once you're that close to home.


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    Re: per Diem

    Quote Originally Posted by highway star View Post
    There is a radius, I think 100 miles, so you couldn't use the per diem once you're that close to home.
    I thought so on the radius....so I'd be better off and legal to stop out in KZOO and sleep and drive it in early.....as far as PD goes

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    Hey Guys and Gals,

    There is still a great misunderstanding of the per diem,
    If you leave out on Monday, at 8AM, the is a 1/2 of day, and you go to Nashville, then little Rock, and have a load going back toward the house, it is not concidered time off as long as your under laod, the night you spent even though it might be in your own bed is copnsidered under load, and it is a per diem night. there is no radius at all, the radius is for local drivers only, but it is 250 miles each way, the 100 miles is for no log book reauired.

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    Thanks Frank,

    So when Under load, I am on per Diem....correct? And I leave at 530am...that is a full day, yes??

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    Re: per Diem

    ????

    Per Diem covers meals away from home. If you're not away from home...??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fkatz View Post
    Hey Guys and Gals,

    There is still a great misunderstanding of the per diem,
    If you leave out on Monday, at 8AM, the is a 1/2 of day, and you go to Nashville, then little Rock, and have a load going back toward the house, it is not concidered time off as long as your under laod, the night you spent even though it might be in your own bed is copnsidered under load, and it is a per diem night. there is no radius at all, the radius is for local drivers only, but it is 250 miles each way, the 100 miles is for no log book reauired.

    Frank
    I believe there is a stipulation for hours away from home the beginning and ending days of a trip . Posters may be misinterpreting this with miles away .

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