These are Democrats?

**chefdennis** · 03-12-2010, 08:51 PM

Ive had a few bad experiences with "popcorn" too and i think i am becoing lactose intolerate as i get old, so there have been a few bad experiences with having too much "ice cream" also....and if i don't have 2-3 bowls of "Bran" cereal each week.....oh dang....

**layoutshooter** · 03-12-2010, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan

had a bad experience with it...all I'll say..

That makes them all bad? Don't make sense.

**RLENT** · 03-12-2010, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by LDB

If you have 100 democrats 20 will be decent ones. If you have 100 republicans 20 will be decent ones. That 80/20 rule holds fast to pretty much everything.

Leo,

While I largely agree with your fundamental premise (some are good, some are bad), I think you have the numbers wrong ..... the decent ones will comprise the 80% and the guys wearing the black hats and doing the evil deeds will be in the minority - the 20%.

Never underestimate the ability of just a very small number of folks to wreck havoc on the lives of the majority of decent folks.

Of course, if you are talking about politicians (as opposed to just the laymen on the street) .... well, then I might be inclined to agree with you on which way the numbers fall .... something about power corrupting .....

**RLENT** · 03-12-2010, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan

Your idea maybe feasible east of the Mississippi, but not in remote or sparsely populated areas...there is just no income

You kiddin' right ?

You just aren't thinking outside the box ...

It appears that the fundamental premise that your statement is based on is the idea that schooling, or more accurately, education (which as a thing can be far, far different than schooling) has to be conducted as it has been for the last hundred or so years: gather the kids from the town (county, whatever) up in a big brick and mortar building and have someone yack at them to 8 or so hours a day, 5 days a week .....

Newsflash: The internet has changed everything.

It's a paradigm shift .....

Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan

Maybe you are rich but there is no way even 20 couples in one county can afford to educate say 10 children of different ages...

See above ......

**LDB** · 03-12-2010, 10:33 PM

Yes, I meant politicians not just individuals, 80/20 bad/good politicians.

**greg334** · 03-12-2010, 10:44 PM

OVM,
The cost of education has been purposely inflated and a system that is dependent on more of the staff to "support" the teachers than it is actually teaching.

In smaller communities, they have a big advantage if they are in control of their education system, a lot like home schooling but on a community level which seemed to work for 90 years before 'reforms' of the 60's took place.

Smaller communities can control their costs by being more flexible with a smaller group of students, which can't be done in larger city schools. The other thing is if home schoolers produce rather "gifted" students who seem to be equal to the rest of the world, then striving for a community school system with the home schooling flavor could be reality in these small rural communities.

BUT the real problem with equalization is simple - it has **** up the public school system to the point that a rural school getting $7500 per student compared to an inner city school getting $14,500 per student, the rural student is actually better educated and fairs better outside the class room.

I would like to see an end to public schools as we have them - the student follows the money. I would like to see us introduce a system similar to France's education system - the money follows the student. The improvements after the shake up of the entire system will be realized within 4 years because it will force the ripping down of the district walls as competition is introduced while forcing the system to provide a better education.

But again the parents and students do not have a say - the teachers union and the school administrators do.

Did you know that the level of education in places like India are still better than a lot of our public schools?

Did you also know that they are finally realizing that the student may not be able to go to college and some schools are trying to identify those students to prepare them for a lower class of work, like manufacturing jobs?

End the abuse, End Public Schools.

**layoutshooter** · 03-12-2010, 10:51 PM

The abuse will not end. The horror of this government will be greatly increased under ObamaCare. It is will just another way that they force their control on us. Just as they took over education so many years ago.

**RLENT** · 03-12-2010, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by LDB

Yes, I meant politicians not just individuals, 80/20 bad/good politicians.

Well, then I'd definitely more inclined to agree .... although in that case, the 20% number might be high ....

I'll never forget what happened with my father when the Watergate scandal broke (he had voted for Nixon) - it was the final straw that completely destroyed any last remaining shred of confidence that he might have had that there might be a politician, out there somewhere, that wasn't corrupt .... it was a very sad thing to see .....

After that, they were just all thieves and crooks .....

**layoutshooter** · 03-12-2010, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by RLENT

Well, then I'd definitely more inclined to agree .... although in that case, the 20% number might be high ....

I'll never forget what happened with my father when the Watergate scandal broke (he had voted for Nixon) - it was the final straw that completely destroyed any last remaining shred of confidence that he might have had that there might be a politician, out there somewhere, that wasn't corrupt .... it was a very sad thing to see .....

After that, they were just all thieves and crooks .....

It seems that nothing has changed.

**witness23** · 03-13-2010, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

That makes them all bad? Don't make sense.

Oh my the irony in that statement.

**OntarioVanMan** · 03-13-2010, 12:25 AM

Our school year is adjusted to the farm/ranch schedule spring break around calving/lambing summer break around the harvest...the kids actually work...

Now it is a 4 day school week to save money just so our kids can have decent toilet paper...

**Ragman** · 03-13-2010, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by OntarioVanMan

. . .Now it is a 4 day school week to save money just so our kids can have decent toilet paper...

I always wondered why! Now I know. I can die a happy man!

**OntarioVanMan** · 03-13-2010, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Ragman

I always wondered why! Now I know. I can die a happy man!

Politics plays a big role on how money is dispersed...the big cities get more with bigger political clout...It costs more to run a rural school then a big city school....a teacher gets the same pay regardless of class size...we might have 4 kids in grade 3 and 3 kids in grade 4...so they combine for a grand total of 7 kids...but the teacher still gets paid.

Now Obama is trying to cut funding to rural America and the state has to make up the shortfall....

**layoutshooter** · 03-13-2010, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by witness23

Oh my the irony in that statement.

What irony? What did I iron? Lost me here. Nothing new, I get lost easy. Old age you know, part-timers etc.

**RLENT** · 03-13-2010, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by layoutshooter

What irony? What did I iron? Lost me here. Nothing new, I get lost easy. Old age you know, part-timers etc.

Layout,

If I had to guess, I'd bet it might have something to with your tendency to rag on _______ (insert liberals, politicians, democrats, republicans .... whatever) as being the epitome of ______ (evil .... or whatever) as though the whole were some sort of monolith (as opposed to individuals)

Of course, we all know that you don't really mean (or even believe) that all of them are actually _____ (whatever) .... it's just that you are prone to the use of little hyperbole or exaggeration from time to time (not that I myself would ever do such a thing

)