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    barry looks to Amnesty to Progressive Rule...

    The libs have been pushing for more then a few years to give illegals citizenship...well its coming again and barry has his minions from the "seiu" and within his adminstration pushing even harder now. They know that if they can land this, they are set for yrs to come....this was stopped by the people a few yrs ago, it needs to be stopped again....

    Obama adviser: Amnesty to ensure 'progressive' rule
    'Imagine 8 million new voters who care about our issues?'

    Posted: February 02, 2010
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    Obama adviser: Amnesty to ensure 'progressive' rule

    By Aaron Klein
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    Granting citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants would expand the "progressive" electorate and help ensure a "progressive" governing coalition for the long term, declared a recent adviser to President Obama whose union group is among the most frequent visitors to the White House.

    "We reform the immigration laws, it puts 12 million people on the path to citizenship and eventually voters," stated Eliseo Medina, international executive vice-president of Service Employees International Union, or SEIU.

    Medina was speaking at a June 2009 Washington conference for the liberal America's Future Now!

    Medina said that during the presidential election in November 2008, Latinos and immigrants "voted overwhelmingly for progressive candidates. Barack Obama got two out of every three voters that showed up."

    "Can you imagine if we have, even the same ratio, two out of three? Can you imagine 8 million new voters who care about our issues and will be voting? We will be creating a governing coalition for the long term, not just for an election cycle."

    See video of Medina's remarks:

    YouTube - Eliseo Medina Speaks on Immigrants for Votes

    The SEIU is closely linked to the controversial Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. SEIU President Andrew Stern was the most frequently logged White House visitor, according to an official list released in October.

    Medina and the SEIU are top supporters of Illinois Rep. Luis Gutierrez's Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America's Security and Prosperity Bill, which seeks to document up to 12 million illegal immigrants inside the U.S.

    During the most recent presidential campaign, Medina and Gutierrez served on Obama's National Latino Advisory Council. Also on the council was Rep. Nydia Velazquez, D-N.Y., the co-sponsor of Gutierrez's immigration reform bill.

    Medina was a chief lobbyist credited with a change in the longstanding policy of the AFL-CIO, the largest union federation in the U.S. The union reversed its stance against illegal immigration in February 2000, instead calling for new amnesty for millions of illegals.

    The New Zeal blog documents how Medina was honored in 2004 by Chicago's Democratic Socialists of America for his "vital role in the AFL-CIO's reassessment of its immigration policy." That same year, Medina became a DSA honorary chairman.

    The DSA also supported Gutierrez's 1998 bid for Congress. In the mid-1990s, Gutierrez served on the board of Illinois Public Action alongside a number of DSA members, including Obama health-care advisor Quentin Young.
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    Re: barry looks to Amnesty to Progressive Rule...

    SEIU?

    Get real Chef, the teamsters and the UAW are also trying to help this get passed. It means more members for them.

    Conservative, anti-immigrant groups triggered a strong grassroots protest against the provisions of this legislation that they considered to be “amnesty” for undocumented workers. Conversely, the AFL-CIO, UAW and other unions joined other progressive groups to support the rights of immigrant workers, while also criticizing the expansions of abusive guest worker programs.
    I thought many of the groups opposing this were Pro-American groups.

    The interesting thing is the AFL-CIO and the UAW are not progressive groups?

    However, the need for fundamental reforms to our immigration system is more pressing than ever. The UAW believes our nation should embrace immigrants for the diversity and values they bring, rather than fear them as threats to values or jobs. We must not fall victim to employers to who attempt to divide workers by race, ethnicity and immigration status, playing one group against the other to undermine solidarity and preclude workers from achieving progress together.


    During 2008 the UAW will continue to work for fundamental reforms to our broken immigration system. We need to establish a system that is based on full, equal and enforceable rights for all workers, including immigrant and guest workers, and also includes a well-defined pathway for immigrant and guest workers to eventually adjust their status and become full fledged stakeholders in our nation.

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    Re: barry looks to Amnesty to Progressive Rule...

    No said the other unions weren't working to the same end..they are but the SEIU is the dominate force with barry right now...the head of the seiu (andy stern) is one of the most listed visitor to the WH and don't think for a minute he isn't there as a "lobbiest" for this issue as well as other socialist interest. And the seiu was probably one of barrys biggest union supporter hiding behind their afiliation with Acorn. THIS article takes on the seiu because of the speech and video where Eliseo Medina has publicly spoken out without reservations on gaining the strangle hold of the progressive socialist ideals that barry is pushing for.....

    As i said, no one said the other unions are working to the same end....its common knowledge that they are...and that is "REAL"

    Has for the "workng mans representation" as you put it, lol, now you need to get real....but then again you know better and i think that question was really meant as a "burr under a saddle"...
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    Re: barry looks to Amnesty to Progressive Rule...

    Here's the UAW'S total stance,


    [ Issues ]
    Immigration
    The immigration system in the United States is broken. The pathways for lawful immigration are choked with long backlogs. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people continue to enter our nation illegally each year. Many of these immigrants are mistreated by unscrupulous smugglers known as "coyotes." Some perish in the course of this dangerous method of entry.

    Millions of undocumented individuals continue to work in the United States. These immigrant workers are often forced to work long hours in miserable working conditions for low pay and no benefits. Employers hide behind immigration laws to prevent these workers from exercising the same rights as other workers, including the right to organize a union. The end result is a race to the bottom in which the wages, benefits and working conditions of all workers are depressed.

    Regrettably, in a decision called Hoffman Plastics v. NLRB, the Supreme Court held that undocumented workers are not entitled to the same workplace rights as employees who are citizens. Moreover, undocumented workers are denied unemployment insurance and other government benefits that are available to others. The denial of these rights and benefits to undocumented workers is particularly unjust since they pay taxes to support these government programs, just like other workers.

    International academic workers, who contribute enormously to the intellectual and cultural environment of educational institutions around the country, are routinely exploited in the workplace. They receive low pay and few benefits. In addition, since Sept. 11, 2001, they have been the target of misguided, discriminatory policies that impose severe burdens. The recent wave of organizing in higher education, led in part by international academic workers, has led to great improvements. But more needs to be done.

    As a matter of decency and fair play, immigrant and guest workers who have been contributing their labor and have paid taxes for many years in this country should be allowed to become stakeholders in our society. This is essential to prevent the creation of an underclass of indentured workers who will be used to undermine the standard of living of all workers.

    The UAW believes we need immigration reform that puts an end to these abuses. In our judgment, any immigration reform must:

    • Ensure full, equal and enforceable workplace rights for all employees, including immigrant workers, both documented and undocumented. This is fair and equitable. It is the only way to ensure that unscrupulous employers do not exploit immigrant workers, using them to undermine workplace rights, pay and benefits for all employees.

    • Reject proposals that would vastly expand abusive guest worker programs. Instead, work to reform guest worker programs to provide these workers with full, equal and enforceable workplace rights, and to prevent employers from using these programs to undermine workplace rights, pay and benefits for all workers.

    • Establish a well-defined path, similar to that called for by President Obama, to allow immigrant and guest workers to adjust their status and eventually become permanent residents and citizens.

    • Improve the ability of all international academic workers to be employed by U.S. universities by increasing the flexibility and length of work opportunities for them and their families, streamlining visa processing, and expediting the transition to permanent residency and citizenship. This will enhance the intellectual and cultural environment at our universities, while helping to ensure that international academic workers have equitable compensation and equal workplace rights.

    • Speed up the process for individuals to enter our country lawfully, as President Obama has advocated.

    • Crack down on the dangerous and exploitive trafficking in undocumented immigrants by coyotes.

    During 2009, the UAW will continue to work for fundamental reforms to our broken immigration system. The UAW believes our nation should embrace immigrants for the diversity and values they bring, rather than fear them as threats to values or jobs. We must not fall victim to employers who attempt to divide workers by race, ethnicity and immigration status, playing one group against the other to undermine solidarity and preclude workers from achieving progress together.

    Action:
    • Urge Congress to pass legislation that will provide full, equal and enforceable workplace rights for all immigrant workers, documented and undocumented. Such legislation must reverse the Hoffman Plastics v. NLRB decision, ensure that all immigrant workers have the right to organize and protect whistle-blowers.

    • Tell Congress to reject proposals that would vastly expand abusive guest worker programs. Instead, urge Congress to reform guest worker programs to provide these workers with full, equal and enforceable workplace rights, so employers cannot use guest workers to undermine workplace rights, pay and benefits for all workers.

    • Urge Congress to establish a well-defined pathway whereby immigrant workers have the opportunity eventually to become permanent residents and citizens. This is the only way to avoid a permanent underclass that employers can use to undermine the standard of living of all workers.

    • Tell Congress to provide increased protections for the rights of international academic workers, including their civil rights and liberties. Congress should oppose any measures that would discriminate against or impose burdens on them. International academic workers should receive adequate and equal compensation, and have the opportunity to become permanent residents and citizens.

    • Urge Congress to make sure unemployment insurance and other government safety net programs are available to all workers who pay taxes to support them, including immigrant workers
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    Re: barry looks to Amnesty to Progressive Rule...

    Quote Originally Posted by Oilerman1957 View Post
    Here's the UAW'S total stance,


    [ Issues ]
    Immigration
    The immigration system in the United States is broken. The pathways for lawful immigration are choked with long backlogs. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people continue to enter our nation illegally each year. Many of these immigrants are mistreated by unscrupulous smugglers known as "coyotes." Some perish in the course of this dangerous method of entry.

    Millions of undocumented individuals continue to work in the United States. These immigrant workers are often forced to work long hours in miserable working conditions for low pay and no benefits. Employers hide behind immigration laws to prevent these workers from exercising the same rights as other workers, including the right to organize a union. The end result is a race to the bottom in which the wages, benefits and working conditions of all workers are depressed.

    Regrettably, in a decision called Hoffman Plastics v. NLRB, the Supreme Court held that undocumented workers are not entitled to the same workplace rights as employees who are citizens. Moreover, undocumented workers are denied unemployment insurance and other government benefits that are available to others. The denial of these rights and benefits to undocumented workers is particularly unjust since they pay taxes to support these government programs, just like other workers.

    International academic workers, who contribute enormously to the intellectual and cultural environment of educational institutions around the country, are routinely exploited in the workplace. They receive low pay and few benefits. In addition, since Sept. 11, 2001, they have been the target of misguided, discriminatory policies that impose severe burdens. The recent wave of organizing in higher education, led in part by international academic workers, has led to great improvements. But more needs to be done.

    As a matter of decency and fair play, immigrant and guest workers who have been contributing their labor and have paid taxes for many years in this country should be allowed to become stakeholders in our society. This is essential to prevent the creation of an underclass of indentured workers who will be used to undermine the standard of living of all workers.

    The UAW believes we need immigration reform that puts an end to these abuses. In our judgment, any immigration reform must:

    • Ensure full, equal and enforceable workplace rights for all employees, including immigrant workers, both documented and undocumented. This is fair and equitable. It is the only way to ensure that unscrupulous employers do not exploit immigrant workers, using them to undermine workplace rights, pay and benefits for all employees.

    • Reject proposals that would vastly expand abusive guest worker programs. Instead, work to reform guest worker programs to provide these workers with full, equal and enforceable workplace rights, and to prevent employers from using these programs to undermine workplace rights, pay and benefits for all workers.

    • Establish a well-defined path, similar to that called for by President Obama, to allow immigrant and guest workers to adjust their status and eventually become permanent residents and citizens.

    • Improve the ability of all international academic workers to be employed by U.S. universities by increasing the flexibility and length of work opportunities for them and their families, streamlining visa processing, and expediting the transition to permanent residency and citizenship. This will enhance the intellectual and cultural environment at our universities, while helping to ensure that international academic workers have equitable compensation and equal workplace rights.

    • Speed up the process for individuals to enter our country lawfully, as President Obama has advocated.

    • Crack down on the dangerous and exploitive trafficking in undocumented immigrants by coyotes.

    During 2009, the UAW will continue to work for fundamental reforms to our broken immigration system. The UAW believes our nation should embrace immigrants for the diversity and values they bring, rather than fear them as threats to values or jobs. We must not fall victim to employers who attempt to divide workers by race, ethnicity and immigration status, playing one group against the other to undermine solidarity and preclude workers from achieving progress together.

    Action:
    • Urge Congress to pass legislation that will provide full, equal and enforceable workplace rights for all immigrant workers, documented and undocumented. Such legislation must reverse the Hoffman Plastics v. NLRB decision, ensure that all immigrant workers have the right to organize and protect whistle-blowers.

    • Tell Congress to reject proposals that would vastly expand abusive guest worker programs. Instead, urge Congress to reform guest worker programs to provide these workers with full, equal and enforceable workplace rights, so employers cannot use guest workers to undermine workplace rights, pay and benefits for all workers.

    • Urge Congress to establish a well-defined pathway whereby immigrant workers have the opportunity eventually to become permanent residents and citizens. This is the only way to avoid a permanent underclass that employers can use to undermine the standard of living of all workers.

    • Tell Congress to provide increased protections for the rights of international academic workers, including their civil rights and liberties. Congress should oppose any measures that would discriminate against or impose burdens on them. International academic workers should receive adequate and equal compensation, and have the opportunity to become permanent residents and citizens.

    • Urge Congress to make sure unemployment insurance and other government safety net programs are available to all workers who pay taxes to support them, including immigrant workers
    Oilerman, you seem like a smart level headed compassionate voice of reason here. You do not fit in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamDriven View Post
    Oilerman, you seem like a smart level headed compassionate voice of reason here. You do not fit in.
    Hahaha now im sad.
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    It's easy to know positively this is the wrong thing to do. Obama is for it. That proves it's wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LDB View Post
    It's easy to know positively this is the wrong thing to do. Obama is for it. That proves it's wrong.
    No it doesnt, it just means you think its wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LDB View Post
    It's easy to know positively this is the wrong thing to do. Obama is for it. That proves it's wrong.
    It is the right thing to do, it is just common sense.

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    It is right to give amnesty to criminals who by their very first action in this country break our laws? Just what we need, more criminals. Sounds like Chicago politics to me. My family came here LEGALLY, so can they. There is NO valid excuse to sneak in illegally.

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    Re: barry looks to Amnesty to Progressive Rule...

    Not according to Native Americans.

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    You know what i really dont get in all of this, why we let the companies off the hook for hiring illegals, why dont they shut them down?
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    According to the English language anyone BORN HERE is a Native American. Everyone here came from some where else. Even those that you call "Native". They displaced some European settlements on the east coast that pre-dated their arrival. Not all is as taught in schools.

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    Re: barry looks to Amnesty to Progressive Rule...

    Quote Originally Posted by layoutshooter View Post
    According to the English language anyone BORN HERE is a Native American. Everyone here came from some where else. Even those that you call "Native". They displaced some European settlements on the east coast that pre-dated their arrival. Not all is as taught in schools.
    Where'd you pull that one out of? I don't want to smell it for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by layoutshooter View Post
    According to the English language anyone BORN HERE is a Native American. Everyone here came from some where else. Even those that you call "Native". They displaced some European settlements on the east coast that pre-dated their arrival. Not all is as taught in schools.
    Actually the aliens were here first, they still have ufo's buried here.
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