Obama Must Go!

[fortwayne]

If you have a facebook account I encourage you to join this group:

Here is the link: OBAMA - Never Again! | causes.com

It is a movement, now in its first few days, which is pushing for a return to conservative and more fiscal government in Washington.

And as we all know the tax and spend liberals, led by King Obama, are destroying the fiscal foundation and future of OUR country and OUR KIDS COUNTRY.

Help kick this clown and his jokesters out of office by joining this facebook group. Obama had a HUGE following on facebook - lets show him he has a HUGE counter-movement against him!

[Shadowpanda]

Being a middle of the road type and beholden to neither ideology, I am curious:
Where where all these anti-spenders when President Bush was getting us into a war that has so far cost us over 600 billion in fact, another 61 billion in theory( this year), several hundred million in destroyed equipment, 4300 dead, tens of thousands wounded etc etc.

Besides having to deal with the problems inherited from 8 years of what I presume to have been 'enlightened' conservative rule, what exactly has President Obama done to deserve being called a clown? He is still the President of the United States of America. OUR President.

Presuming this 'movement' were to succeed, whom would you have replace Obama? Be VERY careful how you answer this question, in politics it is extremely easy to go from the frying pan into flaming lunacy and the devil you just threw out of office turns out to be worlds better than the one you just placed in office.

[layoutshooter]

This thread should be in the soapbox and I cannot move it.

Bush did not start this war, we have been involved since at least 1979 when our embassy was attacked in Iran. Most likely long before that.

There are not multiple wars, one in Iraq, one in Iran etc. Just as there were not 2 WWII's. That silly way of looking at things was an invention of our goofy press during the so called "Cold War" They called every theater of operation a "different" war then too. Like, the "Korean War" or the VietNam War etc etc etc.

The name of the war is not determined by the location that you happen to be fighting in. It is determined by the enemy that you are fighting. In Korea, etc, it was Russia, yeah, it really was.

In this one is a bit more confusing but we are fighting the same bunch everywhere. In Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somolia, the Phillipines, etc etc etc.


It is a good idea to look back much farther than 8 or 10 years, that is never far back enough when dealing with world politics.

You also have to take into account what role others played, and/or are playing in the history of this conflict, like Russia, England, China etc.

Obama is just a continuation of Bush, just more perverted. He is, as Bush was, a leftist with little reguard for the People or the Constitution. Obama just has less.

[layoutshooter]

Thanks to which ever mod moved this.

[Shadowpanda]

Heh, unless you know something I don't, we are not at war with Iran...technically and officially anyway.
I have no doubt at all we have snake eaters on the ground there though.
Good post, you think big picture and consider history.

[greg334]

What war??

[fortwayne]

Why is it anytime anyone says anything negative towards King Obama his defendents give us the line "we are coming in taking over eight years of" bla bla bla of Bush.

If you want to go that route, fine, then should conservatives then blame everything prior to his years on Clinton?

NO!

Right or wrong Bush stood behind his decisions and his policies - King Obama wants to blame Bush for this need to spend us into debt.

It is Obama and his loose lipped liberals that are spending our money to babysit and pamper all the deadbeats in this country, with his health care programs and other welfare handouts.

Its time for this guy and all those free spending politicans in DC to go - liberal or conservative if they are not following the law of the land - the Consitution - THEN KICK THEM OUT!

[Poorboy]

It took Bush about 7 years to spend 600 Billion on the war! It only took Obumma 4 Months to spend More than that on his Paybacks to his Supporters (Called Stimilus Packages) 700 Billion Dollars With Another Stimilus Waiting to be Passed out to His Cronies!
Take a Look at the Crap and Trade Tax He and His Boot Lickers are Trying to shove down our Throats! Now his Obumma Care for the Dead Beats (Illegal Aliens and Welfare Suckers)! Where is the Transparency that He Promised Numerous Times?? Oh, Did he Lie about that?? Then How about His Amnesty Program that he and His Minions will Try and Get Passed which would Result in About 12-20 Million Illegals in this Country being Legalized and Take what Few Jobs that he Hasn't Ruined away from the "Legal Citizens" of this Country! They are Here Illegal and This Piece of Garbage wants to give them Amnesty! He just Flies around Making his Apology Tours Racking up More sky miles in his first 11 Months than it took Bush 2-1/2 Years to do, making the United States Look like the Bad Guys, He is Weak, and The rest of the World See's it and Are Laughing at Not just Him But the people of the United States as well! He does Not Respect the People of this Great Country and doesn't Give a Fat Babies Butt about the Constitution! He in my Mind is NOT a Clown, But he is a Piece of Human Excrement for lack of a better word that if I Used then I would Probably Get Banned for Using! He is Slimey and I Can't wait for the Hearings to Start on January 26th where he Hopefully will be Made to Prove his Citizenship with a "Legal" Birth Certificate! He Should Have Never Been put in the Position he is in! He is NOT My President, He may be Yours and Anyone else who Voted this Slime in Office But he sure isn't Mine! I didn't Vote for him and I Won't Take the Blame for Whatever he does to this Country, He is However, The Koolaid Drinkers President as They are the One's Responsible for him Being in the Office he is Temporarily Holding! He just Needs To Go!! So, How is that Hope and Change Workin for Ya?

[Shadowpanda]

Well you've proven you are apparently a devoted listener of Rush Limbaugh, other than that all the name calling and other emotional invective deprive your post of any credibility.

Americans used to have respect for the Presidency even if they did not care for the person who currently occupied it. Thats not the case anymore though and people will puff out their chests and call themselves 'Great Americans' and proceed to thoroughly trash and disrespect the office (and its holder) that is the greatest symbol of our country to the outside world. The very same people would have an apoplectic fit if they saw someone burn our flag or drop it in the mud and step on it, not realizing the two are effectively the same thing achieved by different means.

[layoutshooter]

There is one huge difference between presidents of late and earlier ones. Past presidents at least pretended to respect the people of the country. Past presidents as least pretended to respect the military who's lives they hold in their hands.

I don't know about you ShadowPanda, but I have a very hard time working for someone that loathes what I do for a living. (Clinton) I had a very hard time working for someone who's character was so bad that he would not have been able to get the security clearances needed to the the job that I did but yet was just given them outright for no other reason than he was elected to an office. His associations, his shady deals etc just ignored.

I quit my job when Clinton was elected for that very reason.

Why should I show any respect for Obama? When he was a Senator he stood on the floor of the Senate and told outright lies about how our military conducts itself in a war zone. Comparing them to terrorists and accusing them of using rape, among other things, as weapons. My son was in Iraq when that putz said that. Do you really believe that I should respect a man that thinks that of my son? Would you if he thought that of you or your family? I think not.

I trust no man who associates with the likes of people like Obama does. People who killed policeman, attacked our Nation, who degrade our Country and praised the cowards that fly airplanes into buildings full of non-combatant civilians.

I served with dignity, honor and integrity. I did that job that my civilian leaders commanded me to do, no matter how stupid it was. I did not, however, do anything illegal or immoral in the performance of my duty. I would not have ever done so even if ordered to do so by anyone.

I don't claim the we, as a nation, are perfect. We are not without flaws. I have seen those flaws more than most. I also know, that despite those flaws, we have done more than anyone to at least try to make the world better.

Obama does not believe that!!!

Now tell me, why should I respect that? Does he show any respect for me? After all, he does work for us, not the other way around. That is something else that he does not believe.

I also believe in our Constitution, I don't believe for one second that Obama does.

Other than that, he can just head back to Havana where he belongs.

[Shadowpanda]

You were in the military. My point is, just as in the military, you don't salute the man, you salute the rank. You may not respect the man, but you dang well better respect the rank because thats all that holds military discipline and chain of command together.
We are, however, most assuredly at a low point in the history of our country (and world) when it comes to showing respect to one another. This is a much talked about and proven social phenomenon.
See things through a child's eyes then.
They see mommy and daddy railing and cursing and saying all kinds of stupid crap about the man who is President, the man who the child has been told is the most powerful man in the world and one day the blessings of America are such that even that child could one day ascend to that height! If mommy and daddy don't even show respect for the most powerful man in the world, why then should the child? In fact why should the child respect anyone at all, for surely if the President is not owed that respect no lesser person is! Just a thought.

I don't care what anyone's personal feelings are towards any particular President, to each his own. The modern generation of Presidents are no better or worse than any previous generations, in fact one of (probably THE) the most lambasted and apparently crooked Presidents this country ever had was also one of its greatest Generals. And I'm not talking about Ike!

Each generation sees the time before it as 'the good old days', modern kids are godless heathens who will never amount to a hill of rotten beans. You can (with not much effort) find articles written in the late 20's to early 30's about such a generation of children. We call them now "The Greatest Generation".

Edit: Having thought on this a bit, I think what really bothers me about some of the things I hear and read people say about Obama (And other political figures irrespective of ideology) is too many times it sounds more like outright hate and not merely disagreement. Hate is never good.

[greg334]

Well you've proven you are apparently a devoted listener of Rush Limbaugh, other than that all the name calling and other emotional invective deprive your post of any credibility.

Well why not be emotional? If one is passionate about their country, then emotion has a right place in the conversation.

Americans used to have respect for the Presidency even if they did not care for the person who currently occupied it. Thats not the case anymore though and people will puff out their chests and call themselves 'Great Americans' and proceed to thoroughly trash and disrespect the office (and its holder) that is the greatest symbol of our country to the outside world. The very same people would have an apoplectic fit if they saw someone burn our flag or drop it in the mud and step on it, not realizing the two are effectively the same thing achieved by different means.

Well first the respect was lost some time ago, maybe in the Carter era or maybe with Nixon.

We have come to the point that we over look substance and it is the looks and delivery of the president the equal to a Hollywood packaged person that is desirable to the masses of the people, excluding real substance and character.

As with the Hollywood crowd who we want to see crash and burn, we in many ways want to see our politicians do the same. Appearance, deception, lies all come into play with both groups - presidents are not excluded.

So disrespect for the office comes from the people sitting in it first, it is reflected by the people who put him/her in the office and others that follow. I think Clinton was the cause of the true disrespect, his Monica crap put our country into a mode that we have yet gotten out of – the politician tabloid mode

You were in the military. My point is, just as in the military, you don't salute the man, you salute the rank. You may not respect the man, but you dang well better respect the rank because thats all that holds military discipline and chain of command together.

That's true, but I wasn't in the military and I'm a citizen which makes me above the president and the congressional people, so I don't have to salute him or call him Mr. President – decorum is not a constitutional requirement.

We are, however, most assuredly at a low point in the history of our country (and world) when it comes to showing respect to one another. This is a much talked about and proven social phenomenon.

Not really. You're a person who went to an institute of higher learning, so I assume you may have studied the Wilson era of our country. A time that was full of hate and pain, a time when people who spoke up against the president ended up being physically harmed. From 1915 on Wilson used propaganda to vilify the Germans who were living here and many of them faced mobs - a lot of mini crystal nights. It wasn't his first time doing this, he was suppressing the blacks in the country for a while.

See things through a child's eyes then.

They see mommy and daddy railing and cursing and saying all kinds of stupid crap about the man who is President, the man who the child has been told is the most powerful man in the world and one day the blessings of America are such that even that child could one day ascend to that height! If mommy and daddy don't even show respect for the most powerful man in the world, why then should the child? In fact why should the child respect anyone at all, for surely if the President is not owed that respect no lesser person is! Just a thought.

This was discussed in length a few years ago and one thing that has been removed was presidents being heroes. It didn't matter what the parents said, they still looked up to the president. Now it has been replaced based not on achievements of a single person but because of a person of a single race achieving something that was always achievable and was achieved in the past but ignored – supreme court, business, etc..

I don't care what anyone's personal feelings are towards any particular President, to each his own. The modern generation of Presidents are no better or worse than any previous generations, in fact one of (probably THE) the most lambasted and apparently crooked Presidents this country ever had was also one of its greatest Generals. And I'm not talking about Ike!

In order for people to actually respect the president, the president has to respect the people – which is not happening here. This president is too too political, too too much fixated on specific issues that don't help the majority of people and ignore the people real needs that affect them. This president uses race, he uses his Rock Star persona, which leads back to how we look at the Hollywood packaged politicians.

I assume you are talking about Grant, if so could he run today with his looks and his attitude?

If not who?

Jackson?

Washington?

Each one was a successful General, but ...

Each generation sees the time before it as 'the good old days', modern kids are godless heathens who will never amount to a hill of rotten beans. You can (with not much effort) find articles written in the late 20's to early 30's about such a generation of children. We call them now "The Greatest Generation".

That's true to a point, but at that time the idea of personality ethics didn't take a foot hold as it did after WW2, displacing the character ethics that was the basis for our country. If you know what the difference is, then you will understand it.

I don't call them the greatest generation, that is Tom Brokaw's moniker for the group who fought a foreign enemy but it wasn't the greatest. I think the generation that can claim that is the one that fought to establish this country and then after that the one that fought on both sides of the war between the states.

Edit: Having thought on this a bit, I think what really bothers me about some of the things I hear and read people say about Obama (And other political figures irrespective of ideology) is too many times it sounds more like outright hate and not merely disagreement. Hate is never good.

I couldn't agree with that at all except hate is not good.

I really feel that any hate for the rock star has come from the 9 years of hatred of Bush. I will exclude the years of false assumptions and hatred for republicans at large. For the time Bush was running and in office we have heard so much hatred and so much vilifying of him that it divided the country more than anything else. Many many people were defensive when faced with this hatred and began to use hate as a driving force to get points across on both sides. Now that the people embraced an ethically based person as a president and fought with hate to win, all expected that life would change for the better, the deer would romp around with the wolves as their messiah in office fixes the wrongs of the past. But they are all up in arms about the residue hatred floating around and being used against this 'black man' who is president. Many time calling the people opening their mouths as racist but that is getting to be wore out.

[RLENT]

Where where all these anti-spenders when President Bush was getting us into a war that has so far cost us over 600 billion in fact, another 61 billion in theory( this year), several hundred million in destroyed equipment, 4300 dead, tens of thousands wounded etc etc.

Amazing what you can get a people to accept when you wave the flag and beat the war drum ain't it ?

Be VERY careful how you answer this question, in politics it is extremely easy to go from the frying pan into flaming lunacy and the devil you just threw out of office turns out to be worlds better than the one you just placed in office.

Indeed ....

[Shadowpanda]

Greg,
Grant it is.
I guess substance started going away with Kennedy's famous TV appearance. Too true. And now we hang on Paris Hilton's every move or whoever the flavor of the month is. These days too many people take in one side or the others 'talking points' and regurgitate them ad infinitum and think thats all there is to be discussed, that the issue in question is that simple and shallow. There is no such thing anymore, if there ever was.

Yes I studied Wilson. Not only did he vilify ethnic Germans in his attempts to justify US entry into WW1 he also gave us the Sedition Act, which if it were still in force today would see everyone in this thread in deep poop.

[witness23]

Great posts Shadowpanda. Unfortunately most in the Soapbox will not have what you are dishing out even though you are obviously,

Being a middle of the road type and beholden to neither ideology

in which most here say they are but in my opinion, obvioulsy as you pointed out repeat what the Rush's, Hannity's and Becks tell them what and how they should think. What is sad is that they are doing exactly what the Democrats and the Republicans want them to do, argue amongst themselves while nothing changes in Washington.

To prove my point, check out my post "goooh" and you will see what I mean. People wonder why Fox News, Beck, Hannity, Rush (I didn't include anyone else because I do not listen or watch them and they are not as popular) are so popular, it is because they are controversial and our society eats that sh** up. It is the same here, the more controversial the post the more "views" and what is disappointing more than anything is the more "replies" that post receives. Most (I said most, not all) would rather complain, bicker, blame one party or the either instead of looking in the mirror to see what is really wrong with this nation.